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Arcana Heart 2 is terrible/boring - NeoGAF
I found my way to Chinatown Fair in NYC today and saw that they had Arcana Heart 2.
I have previously played AH 1 and found it was overall enjoyable...
But part 2 is just boring.
I started getting so bored with the game because the computer's A.I.
Was like a child.
They would just sit there sometimes and not do anything.
I beat the whole damn game on just 3 quarters (1 play).
This isn't even a matter of me being good, I'm average at arcade fighters.
All you needed to do was flick your wrist a bit, hit a couple buttons and you had a 14 hit combo.
This game defines "win" button.
Has anyone played this game before?
Was this version just broken?
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Sounds like it was on "crazy round eye foreigner difficulty" aka easy or you need to get out of your parents basement more often.
also this:
(see below)
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Wait, you're judging a fighting game by the AI?
Wow.
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So, uh, you judge the whole game by the low difficulty the owners had it set on?
=(
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Originally Posted by Kintaro: So, uh, you judge the whole game by the low difficulty the owners had it set on?
=(
Did you see the part where I said that combos were given out like candy on Halloween?
It's not just the AI, but that it was so bad that I started to just look away from the screen and mash buttons.
Hey, the animation was awesome, I thought the characters were interesting and the backgrounds were good.
It wasn't all bad.
But if there's barely any challenge...?
Originally Posted by arne: Sounds like it was on "crazy round eye foreigner difficulty" aka easy or you need to get out of your parents basement more often.
Thanks for the personal attack...
Adds a lot.
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Doesn't it cost like 3 quarters?
It was last time I went.
Nice game though, Play some of the people there, they're pretty good.
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You are why we can't have decent fighting discussion on GAF.
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Originally Posted by Askia47: Doesn't it cost like 3 quarters?
It was last time I went.
Nice game though, Play some of the people there, they're pretty good.
Yes, you're right.
3 quarters. Then nothing else took 1 quarter, and I gave it away.
:(
If anyone is in NYC, check this place out...
It's like a fighter mecca
Originally Posted by Mr Jared:
You are why we can't have decent fighting discussion on GAF.
So because I comment that a game had no difficulty, I am the sole reason why all fighting discussions on this board fall apart?
That's logical.
Had that picture in the queue, just waiting to be used?
I fail to see how commenting on one aspect of the game and being somewhat critical, makes my point invalid.
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How do you know it wasn't challenging if you never faced a human opponent?
You say combos are easy to pull off..
That means it would be easy for both humans.
Therefore, that doesn't really say anything....
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Originally Posted by zoku88: How do you know it wasn't challenging if you never faced a human opponent?
You say combos are easy to pull off..
That means it would be easy for both humans.
Therefore, that doesn't really say anything....
Um...
It wasn't challenging playing the computer...
Adding a human opponent would have naturally made it more challenging...
Because it's the opponent's skill...
Not the computer A.I.
Every game is more challenging when another human comes into the picture...
That's a given man.
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I think the fact that you were at the Chinatown fair and could actually go through the entire computer line-up without someone challenging you shows how terrible/boring this game is.
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You are just too good at video games.
I look forward to see you tearing it up at Tougeki SBO.
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Originally Posted by El_TigroX: Thanks for the personal attack...
Adds a lot.
oh stop being so defensive.
You're not reading it through the gaf-filter(tm).
translated:
sounds like the owners set the difficulty too easy or you're just too damn good at fighting games.
:)
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Originally Posted by arne: oh stop being so defensive.
You're not reading it through the gaf-filter(tm).
translated:
sounds like the owners set the difficulty too easy or you're just too damn good at fighting games.
:)
You're right...
I totally read that wrong.
Sorry about that...
That came off as a total whiny bitch on my part.
Sorry man...
Originally Posted by ccbfan: I think the fact that you were at the Chinatown fair and could actually go through the entire computer line-up without someone challenging you shows how terrible/boring this game is.
That should have been the tip off that something was wrong.
There was no one even at the machine when I walked up...
But the Street Fighter Alpha 3 machine was rocking...
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Originally Posted by ccbfan: I think the fact that you were at the Chinatown fair and could actually go through the entire computer line-up without someone challenging you shows how terrible/boring this game is.
This isn't Sengoku Basara X's level of yawn, like you can judge a fighting game's pedigree but participation at dying American arcades.
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To help this thread, here's some Arcana Heart 2 vids
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9a9l1sr1KMY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcSPzgFTCbk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RziDN...eature=related
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Originally Posted by tehbear: This isn't Sengoku Basara X's level of yawn, like you can judge a fighting game's pedigree but participation at dying American arcades.
This arcade is cavern like...
And there were people waiting 3-4 deep at each machine.
This place is like a time warp - arcades and competitive fighting is well and alive here.
To give you an idea...
There was a tournament/line at King of Fighters 99, SNK vs.
Capcom 2, Street Fighter 3: Third Strike & Second Impact...
And there were lots of other machines that had loads of people at them.
This place is straight out of the early 90s when fighting games were the scene.
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Originally Posted by El_TigroX: Um...
It wasn't challenging playing the computer...
Adding a human opponent would have naturally made it more challenging...
Because it's the opponent's skill...
Not the computer A.I.
Every game is more challenging when another human comes into the picture...
That's a given man.
So, you're saying the game is terrible because its computer opponents aren't challenging enough?
(or at least at the difficulty that it was set at.)
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Originally Posted by El_TigroX: This arcade is cavern like...
And there were people waiting 3-4 deep at each machine.
This place is like a time warp - arcades and competitive fighting is well and alive here.
To give you an idea...
There was a tournament/line at King of Fighters 99, SNK vs.
Capcom 2, Street Fighter 3: Third Strike & Second Impact...
And there were lots of other machines that had loads of people at them.
This place is straight out of the early 90s when fighting games were the scene.
Uh and they apparently do not know about any of the new fighting games.
Arcana Hearts 2 is very well regarded.
Maybe people should try to learn the game before calling it garbage because of some AI setting.
Expand your horizon a little.
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Originally Posted by tehbear: This isn't Sengoku Basara X's level of yawn, like you can judge a fighting game's pedigree but participation at dying American arcades.
Chinatown fair from what I remember is a pretty festive place.
(I haven't been there for a few years).
It like the Mecca of fighting games in the East Coast where some of the top fighting gamers in the world like Justin Wong plays.
Any good new fighting game gets a good bit of play there.
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Originally Posted by Kintaro: To help this thread, here's some Arcana Heart 2 vids
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9a9l1sr1KMY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcSPzgFTCbk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RziDN...eature=related
ALright, something might have been wrong with the machine, because my fights were nowhere near as exciting as that video...
But I still feel like the game is all about 1 button, 10 hit combos.
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Hey guys, SC4 is terrible and boring...I was able to defeat the AI in Arcade Mode just by spamming throws!
Obviously this game is overrated.
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What the hell is this game?
Talk about loli-overload.
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Originally Posted by XiaNaphryz: Hey guys, SC4 is terrible and boring...I was able to defeat the AI just by spamming throws!
Obviously this game is overrated.
I love these naysaying snipes...
They're pretty good.
So...
If I was able to just run through a game and barely face a challenge, wouldn't that be cause for questions?
Take it out of the fighter realm for a second...
If you were playing Gears of War and you walked up to the enemies head on and they didn't shoot their guns and they went down like a shooting gallery, wouldn't you say "This is boring..."?
Originally Posted by Jimmy Stav: What the hell is this game?
Talk about loli-overload.
Yeah, my friend ripped on me for playing it.
I think the character designs are well done and the frame rate/animation is really good.
But...
When my character thrust out her chest with the Christian cross on it and her breasts were obviously monstrous...
I felt it was a touch awkward.
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Originally Posted by Jimmy Stav: What the hell is this game?
Talk about loli-overload.
Most of the characters aren't loli....
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Originally Posted by El_TigroX: I love these naysaying snipes...
They're pretty good.
So...
If I was able to just run through a game and barely face a challenge, wouldn't that be cause for questions?
Take it out of the fighter realm for a second...
If you were playing Gears of War and you walked up to the enemies head on and they didn't shoot their guns and they went down like a shooting gallery, wouldn't you say "This is boring..."?
No, you'd check which difficulty you had it on.
The strength of a fighting game is determined by many things.
It's single player is never, EVER one of them.
Ever. Ever.
This thread did help me remember to keep a look out for the game when it hits consoles though.
Thanks. ^^
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"So... if I was able to just run through a game and barely face a challenge, wouldn't that be cause for questions?
Take it out of the fighter realm for a second...
If you were playing Gears of War and you walked up to the enemies head on and they didn't shoot their guns and they went down like a shooting gallery, wouldn't you say "This is boring..."?"
Woefully evasive considering that it is, in fact, a fighting game.
That really changes how significant AI is.
The AI in Third Strike and super turbo is abysmal, but nobody talks about it because it's not really the point.
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You realize fighting games are meant to be played against other humans right?
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I hope a console port comes out soon...
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Originally Posted by Teknopathetic:
Woefully evasive considering that it is, in fact, a fighting game.
That really changes how significant AI is.
The AI in Third Strike and super turbo is abysmal, but nobody talks about it because it's not really the point.
So if half the game is broken, you should just completely and utterly sweep it under the rug and not pay attention to the man behind the curtain?
I've said a few posts up that based on some other videos I've seen that there could very well have been something wrong with the machine.
The characters just acted SO stupidly that I could look away from the screen for up to 30 seconds and still win.
I'm not even exaggerating.
I understand what you're saying about a fighting game's strength really shining through in a versus human opponent situation, but you can't just ignore the computer's AI.
Is the AI In Third Strike REALLY that bad?
I might call it cheap at times (especially with Gill), but if that's bad...
Then what I just played at the arcade is horrid and abysmal.
Originally Posted by Kintaro: The strength of a fighting game is determined by many things.
It's single player is never, EVER one of them.
Ever. Ever.
I respect your opinion, but I completely disagree.
Using that logic then, then virtually no game can be judged on it's AI.
So a sports game can never have it's single player, computer AI used in a review or judgment.
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Originally Posted by zoku88: Most of the characters aren't loli....
Are you sure about that?
I just checked the wiki on Arcana Heart and the "oldest" is 17 with a majority of them being 13 - 14.
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"So if half the game is broken, you should just completely and utterly sweep it under the rug and not pay attention to the man behind the curtain?"
I wouldn't call the AI half of the game.
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Originally Posted by El_TigroX: So if half the game is broken, you should just completely and utterly sweep it under the rug and not pay attention to the man behind the curtain?
I've said a few posts up that based on some other videos I've seen that there could very well have been something wrong with the machine.
The characters just acted SO stupidly that I could look away from the screen for up to 30 seconds and still win.
I'm not even exaggerating.
I understand what you're saying about a fighting game's strength really shining through in a versus human opponent situation, but you can't just ignore the computer's AI.
Is the AI In Third Strike REALLY that bad?
I might call it cheap at times (especially with Gill), but if that's bad...
Then what I just played at the arcade is horrid and abysmal.
There's nothing wrong with the machine, that's how fighting games are in 1P Arcade mode.
No one cares (except you apparently) because everyone knows that AI isn't the reason to play fighting games.
And yes, NO ONE cares about the AI in a fighter.
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I loved the shit out of Arcana Heart.
After jumping that "holy god, this game is thematically everything wrong with video games" hurdle (and lord was it a big hurdle), it became awesome.
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Originally Posted by Teknopathetic: "So if half the game is broken, you should just completely and utterly sweep it under the rug and not pay attention to the man behind the curtain?"
I wouldn't call the AI half of the game.
No, you're right, that's a bit of hyperbole...
But I was looking at the game as split 50-50 between Versus and Story mode.
Essentially it's "half" of the playable game.
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I've never played the game but it's allegedly well regarded among fighting game enthusiasts.
But MAN are those character designs god-awful...
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Originally Posted by No_Style: Are you sure about that?
I just checked the wiki on Arcana Heart and the "oldest" is 17 with a majority of them being 13 - 14.
Loli is prepubescent...
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Originally Posted by arne: Sounds like it was on "crazy round eye foreigner difficulty" aka easy or you need to get out of your parents basement more often.
Round-eye difficulty: The only way to get people into an arcade.
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CF has ignored plenty of fighters that did very well elsewhere, and there's plenty of off-peak times of limited competition.
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Originally Posted by zoku88: loli is prepubescent...
Not really...
Anyways, checked some of the vids and the combat seems quite fluid.
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Originally Posted by jon bones: But MAN are those character designs god-awful...
I dunno, some characters a tad generic anime looking maybe.
I like the design on the girl waist-high in the jelly bubble.
OP should give this thread up as a bad job.
;)
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Originally Posted by No_Style: Not really...
Anyways, checked some of the vids and the combat seems quite fluid.
Lolita != loli.
The term loli comes from lolita but that just means they're related, not equal.
No one would call a busty high school girl a loli >.>
EDIT: The characters in this game are more moe than anything else.
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I love loli.
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Its all about the difficulty setting.
If you play Street Fighter in very easy, its quite stupid and not fun.
Im sure if the owner of the arcade change the dif.
Setting, you would have much more of a challenge = more fun.
About your combo comment, in Guilty Gear its pretty easy to make long combos, that has nothing to do with quality and more with style of gameplay.
(Played this game while I was in Japan, thought it was fine)
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Originally Posted by El_TigroX: I respect your opinion, but I completely disagree.
Using that logic then, then virtually no game can be judged on it's AI.
So a sports game can never have it's single player, computer AI used in a review or judgment.
If you want to continue to think along these lines, go right ahead.
Did you even stop to think "I wonder if this is set at piss easy?" Did you think to ask?
Since AI in fighting games (HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA) concern you so much, wouldn't it behoove you to go check what setting the cab is on before running to GAF to make a thread?
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Originally Posted by El_TigroX: But...
When my character thrust out her chest with the Christian cross on it and her breasts were obviously monstrous...
I felt it was a touch awkward.
You can't have both?
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Originally Posted by Kintaro: ...wouldn't it behoove you to go check what setting the cab is on before running to GAF to make a thread?
Certainly...
Let me go ask the owner to reset that system and let me take a gander at the settings...
Which would never happen.
Give me a break.
As if someone not knowing if it's v 1.2a or v 1.2b makes a big difference in my enjoyment.
Remember folks, this is all subjective.
If you had read the OP Kintaro, you would have seen that I asked if people thought this version was broken...
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Originally Posted by El_TigroX: Certainly...
Let me go ask the owner to reset that system and let me take a gander at the settings...
Which would never happen.
Give me a break.
As if someone not knowing if it's v 1.2a or v 1.2b makes a big difference in my enjoyment.
Remember folks, this is all subjective.
If you had read the OP Kintaro, you would have seen that I asked if people thought this version was broken...
There is nothing subjective here.
You're looking like a fool for calling a fighting game broken because some owner has it set on easy AND not playing against a human opponent.
Then you don't even bother to ask the owners what it's set on since AI means so much to you (it's not that hard, I've done it myself and the owner gladly upped the difficulty level so he could get more of my money).
But you run on here and proceed to call it broken.
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Originally Posted by Askia47: I hope a console port comes out soon...
In Japan, sure.
But after the initial uproar of the voices that were taken out of the first game, I don't know if Atlus wants to bother with the sequel now.
:(
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Originally Posted by El_TigroX: That should have been the tip off that something was wrong.
There was no one even at the machine when I walked up...
But the Street Fighter Alpha 3 machine was rocking...
That's because SF Alpha 3 is the king.
*Sigh* I wish there was a rocking SF Alpha 3 machine around these parts.
Those were the days...
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