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Cbs just showed a clip
JOHN MCCAIN SAID something like "YOU HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT and YOU DO NOT HAVE REASON TO BE AFRAID IF BARACK OBAMA BECOMES PRESIDENT" in response to a nasty question by someone in his crowd
The crowd boooed him HIS OWN CROWD booed him
Has John MCCain realized it has gone too far???
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Yes, the question is whether he still has sufficient discipline to return to honor and conduct himself appropriately for the remainder of the campaign.
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Quote: cbs just showed a clip
JOHN MCCAIN SAID something like "YOU HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT and YOU DO NOT HAVE REASON TO BE AFRAID IF BARACK OBAMA BECOMES PRESIDENT" in response to a nasty question by someone in his crowd
The crowd boooed him HIS OWN CROWD booed him
Has John MCCain realized it has gone too far???
When even respected Republicans are turning , like Ed Rollins, it has to bother McCain.
He has always prided himself on honour.
That's been trashed and he knows it.
I almost feel sorry for him.
He's old and his honour was his proudest ahievement, deserved or not.
He has allowed those around him to take that from him in his desire to win and he's going to be left with nothing.
That's truly sad.
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Quote: Quote: cbs just showed a clip
JOHN MCCAIN SAID something like "YOU HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT and YOU DO NOT HAVE REASON TO BE AFRAID IF BARACK OBAMA BECOMES PRESIDENT" in response to a nasty question by someone in his crowd
The crowd boooed him HIS OWN CROWD booed him
Has John MCCain realized it has gone too far???
When even respected Republicans are turning , like Ed Rollins, it has to bother McCain.
He has always prided himself on honour.
That's been trashed and he knows it.
I almost feel sorry for him.
He's old and his honour was his proudest ahievement, deserved or not.
He has allowed those around him to take that from him in his desire to win and he's going to be left with nothing.
That's truly sad.
I agree CO, but I'll allow myself to feel sorry for McCain after Obama wins the election.
I will show him no mercy in my judgement of him at this time.
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Quote: Yes, the question is whether he still has sufficient discipline to return to honor and conduct himself appropriately for the remainder of the campaign.
He'll have to rein in Palin, too.
So, I doubt things will get much better for the remainder of the campaign
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Quote: cbs just showed a clip
JOHN MCCAIN SAID something like "YOU HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT and YOU DO NOT HAVE REASON TO BE AFRAID IF BARACK OBAMA BECOMES PRESIDENT" in response to a nasty question by someone in his crowd
The crowd boooed him HIS OWN CROWD booed him
Has John MCCain realized it has gone too far???
I just saw that on Matthews.
It almost seemed to me like the questioner forgot her lines.
Chris Matthews is livid here.
Buchanan told him to calm down and he said "I won't calm down".
Buchanan said he's "not one of us".
Chris said, "you think it's fun to de-Americanize him?" This is really appalling.
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They want people riled up to the point of violence on both sides...what better way to suspend the election and declare martial law?
The Republicans are not going to go down without a fight....possibly literally...and we know who owns all the guns.
Limbaugh and other rightwing nuts are encouraging it every morning on their radio shows and that afternoon McCain and Palin go out and repeat almost verbatim what is said on those shows...which have millions of diehard listeners.
They are painting Barak as a terrorist and frightening people that they are going to be taxed to death.
Why doesnt Barak's campaign go to the source of these attacks?
It also dawns on me that if anything were to happen to Obama, they would be able to blame it on some crazy in the crowd....covert ops anyone?
This post has been edited by RunsWithScissors: Oct 10 2008, 05:24 PM
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They smell blood in the water, that he put there, and they want more.
They will either turn on him and vote for someone else or they won't vote.
Go ahead folks vote for Bob Barr or Ron Paul lol.
Seriously, I doubt that he might be able to put the genie back in the bottle.
And I also think he got the word from the party to cool it.
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Quote: Seriously, I doubt that he might be able to put the genie back in the bottle.
And I also think he got the word from the party to cool it.
I was thinking the same thing DWB.
There have to be some decent high ranking Republicans that are not comfortable with this type of rhetoric.
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Well McCain could do much worse than to emulate Bob Dole, who while he was electorally trashed went out on a note of dignity and humor.
(The man did serve in the same war as my Dad, if in the wrong service.)
We will see.
Thing is, Palin looks harder to reign in than Jack Kemp was.
It is better to light one candle than to curse the darkness.
The right-wing hates our freedom.
"If there is class warfare in this country then my class is winning." Warren Buffet
"I hear the voices..." George W.
Bush
"I've got no illusions about the democratic leadership.
I just think any real change requires the left to get its own act together and not sit around demanding things that probably won't happen.
Real change is going to require a coherent grass-roots movement, and it will require continued work long beyond 2008." Progressive Phoenix
Now we are all lovers of charisma.
Asked about the controversy Wright's comments have created, Republican John McCain said while campaigning in Denver: "I can only say that I am sure, knowing Senator Obama, that he does not share the extreme views that were expressed that I saw on television."
Beer.
You drink it, you don't veto it.
"No way, no how, no McCain." Hillary Clinton
"Mrs Palins elevation suggests that, far from breaking with Mr Bush, Mr McCain is repeating his mistakes." The Economist Magazine, September 5
"Senator McCain, what economy are you referring to?" Barack Obama speaking on John McCain's statement that the "fundamentals of our economy are strong".
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Quote: Quote: cbs just showed a clip
JOHN MCCAIN SAID something like "YOU HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT and YOU DO NOT HAVE REASON TO BE AFRAID IF BARACK OBAMA BECOMES PRESIDENT" in response to a nasty question by someone in his crowd
The crowd boooed him HIS OWN CROWD booed him
Has John MCCain realized it has gone too far???
I just saw that on Matthews.
It almost seemed to me like the questioner forgot her lines.
Chris Matthews is livid here.
Buchanan told him to calm down and he said "I won't calm down".
Buchanan said he's "not one of us".
Chris said, "you think it's fun to de-Americanize him?" This is really appalling.
I can't wait for Olbermann and Rachel
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October 10, 2008
BACKLASH
(MCCAIN FINALLY CALLS OBAMA "DECENT" -- AND GETS BOOED)
Former White House Adviser Gergen: McCain Rally Could "Lead To Some Violence"...
Ex-McCain Strategist: A Tactical Mistake...
Washington Post's Dan Balz: "Over The Line"...
Ex-McCain Supporter Schaeffer: Stop Or Be Accused Of Feeding Out "The Red Meat Of Hate"...
GOP Former Governor Milliken: "Not The McCain I Endorsed"...
John Kerry: McCain-Palin's "Hate Filled" Crowds Should Disqualify Them...
AFL-CIO's John Sweeney: McCain In Same Camp As Racists And Extremists If He Lets This Continue...
McCain Faces Backlash Over Rabid Crowds
John McCain was booed by his own supporters during a rally on Friday after he described Barack Obama as a "decent person and a person that you do not have to be scared of as president of the United States."
McCain was responding to a town hall attendee who claimed he was concerned about raising a child under a president who "cohorts with domestic terrorists such as [Bill] Ayers." Despite the fact that McCain and his campaign have repeatedly used Ayers to hammer Obama in recent days, the Arizona Senator tried to calm the man.
"[Senator Obama] is a decent person and a person that you do not have to be scared about as President of the United States," he said, before adding: "If I didn't think I would be one heck of a better president I wouldn't be running."
The crowd groaned with disapproval.
At an earlier point in the event, McCain declared, "If you want a fight, we will fight.
But we will be respectful.
I admire Sen. Obama and his accomplishments." Supporters booed then also.
"I don't mean that has to reduce your ferocity," McCain responded.
"I just mean to say you have to be respectful."
Later, McCain was again pressed about Obama's "other-ness" and again he refused to play ball.
"I don't trust Obama," a woman said.
"I have read about him.
He's an Arab."
"No, ma'am," McCain said several times, shaking his head in disagreement.
"He's a decent, family man, [a] citizen that I just happen to have disagreements with on fundamental issues and that's what this campaign is all about."
Story continues below
The episode reflected the intensity of the anger that many McCain-Palin supporters have for Obama -- anger that was stoked, in large part, by McCain itself.
It also underscored just how difficult a situation McCain has walked himself into.
Hours before he attempted to calm nerves, the Senator's campaign sent out a statement to reporters defending the remarks of its crowd members.
"Barack Obama's attacks on Americans who support John McCain reveal far more about him than they do about John McCain.
It is clear that Barack Obama just doesn't understand regular people and the issues they care about," read a statement from spokesman Brian Rogers.
"Even worse, he attacks anyone who dares to question his readiness to serve as their commander in chief in chief.
Raising legitimate questions about record, character and judgment are a vital part of the Democratic process, and Barack Obama's effort to silence and shame those who seek answers should make everyone wonder exactly what he is hiding."
Democrats were eager to take advantage of McCain's more conciliatory remarks on Friday, quickly posting a video described as McCain's "new attack ad":
Earlier on Friday, Barack Obama had criticized John McCain recent campaign appearance saying it was "easy to rile up a crowd by stoking anger and division."
"I think that folks are looking for something different," he said.
"But that's not what we need right now in the United States.
The times are too serious."
In responding to this charge, Rogers attempted to deliberate simplify and obscure some of the rhetoric that has recently come from McCain supporters.
Videos taken of people heading into McCain-Palin rallies have shown individuals who label Barack Obama as a terrorist, a communist and a threat to the well-being of the country.
At a town hall meeting in Wisconsin on Thursday, several attendees urged the Republican nominee to attack his opponent on the Ayers issue and Reverend Jeremiah Wright, who McCain himself has said should be off limits.
The rabid nature of the scene has startled longtime political observers and even former associates of McCain himself.
John Weaver, the Senator's former top strategist, has said McCain is making a tactical mistake by letting abusive hecklers have their voices heard during his forums.
David Gergen, a longtime Washington strategist, has warned that the rhetoric from these attendees could "lead to some violence."
Veteran Republican Congressman Ray LaHood criticized Sarah Palin in particular, saying her rhetoric did not "befit the office she's running for."
AFL-CIO President John Sweeney denounced the recent campaign stops as dangerous and expressed alarm that the top of the Republican ticket would not protest the crowd's language.
"Sen.
John McCain, Gov.
Sarah Palin and the leadership of the Republican party have a fundamental moral responsibility to denounce the violent rhetoric that has pervaded recent McCain and Palin political rallies.
When rally attendees shout out such attacks as "terrorist" or "kill him" about Sen.
Barack Obama, when they are cheered on by crowds incited by McCain-Palin rhetoric -- it is chilling that McCain and Palin do nothing to object."
Veteran reporter Dan Balz has opined that "McCain's tactics are over the line, with no restraint in sight, and threaten to provoke reactions among partisans on both sides that will continue to escalate."
And Frank Schaeffer penned a solemn and critical column (first published in the Baltimore Sun) personally addressed to McCain himself: "If your campaign does not stop equating Sen.
Barack Obama with terrorism, questioning his patriotism and portraying Mr.
Obama as "not one of us," I accuse you of deliberately feeding the most unhinged elements of our society the red meat of hate, and therefore of potentially instigating violence."
McCain, through Rogers' statement, is gambling that the voices of caution don't matter as much as the sentiments of the people.
But he is also implicitly arguing that even the vilest rhetoric sent Obama's way is fair game when chalked up to concerns about the Illinois Democrat's past associations and judgments.
And he's acknowledging that he won't lift a finger to dissuade the raging tempers.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/
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Quote: Well McCain could do much worse than to emulate Bob Dole, who while he was electorally trashed went out on a note of dignity and humor.
(The man did serve in the same war as my Dad, if in the wrong service.)
We will see.
Thing is, Palin looks harder to reign in than Jack Kemp was.
If McCain wanted to he could reign her in or get her to resign from the ticket, he can go off on people pretty hard.
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Http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/o...0,7557571.story
baltimoresun.com
McCain's attacks fuel dangerous hatred
By Frank Schaeffer
October 10, 2008
John McCain: If your campaign does not stop equating Sen.
Barack Obama with terrorism, questioning his patriotism and portraying Mr.
Obama as "not one of us," I accuse you of deliberately feeding the most unhinged elements of our society the red meat of hate, and therefore of potentially instigating violence.
At a Sarah Palin rally, someone called out, "Kill him!" At one of your rallies, someone called out, "Terrorist!" Neither was answered or denounced by you or your running mate, as the crowd laughed and cheered.
At your campaign event Wednesday in Bethlehem, Pa., the crowd was seething with hatred for the Democratic nominee - an attitude encouraged in speeches there by you, your running mate, your wife and the local Republican chairman.
Shame!
John McCain: In 2000, as a lifelong Republican, I worked to get you elected instead of George W.
Bush. In return, you wrote an endorsement of one of my books about military service.
You seemed to be a man who put principle ahead of mere political gain.
You have changed.
You have a choice: Go down in history as a decent senator and an honorable military man with many successes, or go down in history as the latest abettor of right-wing extremist hate.
John McCain, you are no fool, and you understand the depths of hatred that surround the issue of race in this country.
You also know that, post-9/11, to call someone a friend of a terrorist is a very serious matter.
You also know we are a bitterly divided country on many other issues.
You know that, sadly, in America, violence is always just a moment away.
You know that there are plenty of crazy people out there.
Stop!
Think! Your rallies are beginning to look, sound, feel and smell like lynch mobs.
John McCain, you're walking a perilous line.
If you do not stand up for all that is good in America and declare that Senator Obama is a patriot, fit for office, and denounce your hate-filled supporters when they scream out "Terrorist" or "Kill him," history will hold you responsible for all that follows.
John McCain and Sarah Palin, you are playing with fire, and you know it.
You are unleashing the monster of American hatred and prejudice, to the peril of all of us.
You are doing this in wartime.
You are doing this as our economy collapses.
You are doing this in a country with a history of assassinations.
Change the atmosphere of your campaign.
Talk about the issues at hand.
Make your case. But stop stirring up the lunatic fringe of haters, or risk suffering the judgment of history and the loathing of the American people - forever.
We will hold you responsible.
Frank Schaeffer is the author of "Crazy for God: How I Grew Up as One of the Elect, Helped Found the Religious Right, and Lived to Take All (or Almost All) of It Back." His e-mail is frankaschaeffer@
aol.com.
Copyright © 2008, The Baltimore Sun
This post has been edited by ConcernedObserver: Oct 10 2008, 05:57 PM
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Quote: Quote: Quote: cbs just showed a clip
JOHN MCCAIN SAID something like "YOU HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT and YOU DO NOT HAVE REASON TO BE AFRAID IF BARACK OBAMA BECOMES PRESIDENT" in response to a nasty question by someone in his crowd
The crowd boooed him HIS OWN CROWD booed him
Has John MCCain realized it has gone too far???
I just saw that on Matthews.
It almost seemed to me like the questioner forgot her lines.
Chris Matthews is livid here.
Buchanan told him to calm down and he said "I won't calm down".
Buchanan said he's "not one of us".
Chris said, "you think it's fun to de-Americanize him?" This is really appalling.
I can't wait for Olbermann and Rachel
I was disappointed that Keith is off tonite..but I'll tell you one thing...Palin doesn't know what a pitbull is until she sees these two grab hold of Troopergate.
They'll never let go!
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Well well could this be a trend
Quote: Coleman told reporters that he would not be appearing at a planned rally with McCain this afternoon.
Could it be McCain's sliding polling numbers in Minnesota?
His attacks on Obama?
Coleman said he needs the time to work on suspending his own negative ads.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail...a_gop.html#more
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Quote: Well well could this be a trend
Quote: Coleman told reporters that he would not be appearing at a planned rally with McCain this afternoon.
Could it be McCain's sliding polling numbers in Minnesota?
His attacks on Obama?
Coleman said he needs the time to work on suspending his own negative ads.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail...a_gop.html#more
Special case, strong conflict on certain issues but not being made public.
(some of his most important supporters want McCain to lose).
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Okay I cant remember who asked me for this but here is the Limbaugh transcript where he is encouraging rioting...at least that's how I saw it however subtly and snarky and an example of the vitriol aimed at Obama.
When Do We Get to Riot?
October 10, 2008
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BEGIN TRANSCRIPT
RUSH: We always hear about riots.
We're going to have riots if that happens, going to have riots if that happens.
Who are the people rioting?
Who are the people protesting?
Well, when you look at who they are the vast majority of them are supported by those of us who play by the rules, we go to work every day, and we pay our taxes.
What do they have to riot about?
When do we get to riot?
Look at what we've had to pay for.
We've had to pay for the second New Deal.
The Great Society, LBJ comes along with the war on poverty, the Great Society.
Now we're learning that we had to pay for a totally corrupt mortgage housing scandal in which Obama and ACORN are deeply embedded.
We have people who were given loans who had no way of paying them back, they weren't even asked to state their income.
And when we hear about all those foreclosures, people losing their homes, and we think, Oh, my gosh, our fellow citizens are being thrown out. No!
It's the people who shoulda never been given the loans in the first place.
It's the people who weren't paying them in the first place.
It was people who were put into these homes when they had no business being put in these homes.
It's not a brief against them.
But this was a scheme and it was a tactic employed by the Democrat Party exclusively to create a never-ending and growing percentage of our population that was totally dependent and owed everything to the Democrat Party.
Now their candidate and their guy, James Carville, Going to be very traumatic out there, very, very traumatic. We know what he means.
When do we riot?
When do we stand up and say, We have paid for all of this;
We have played by the rules, and now you come to us and you tell us that the whole reason this happened is because we are unfair and we are too advantaged and we are too lucky, that it's not right that not everybody can win life's lottery? I'm not suggesting riots, don't misunderstand, folks, I'm just suggesting here that the people who are going to riot are the people who ought to be getting down and thanking every damn one of us, because the New Deal number two -- and, by the way, I think we're in the midst of the New Deal number three here.
And why do we need a New Deal number two if the New Deal number one didn't work?
The New Deal number one did not work.
It did not stop the Great Depression.
World War II did.
The New Deal number two, the Raw Deal, the Great Society and all of that, what did it do?
Why are we having all these problems?
Why do we still have poverty?
Why do we still have people who are uneducated?
Why do we still have people who are down and out with no future in sight?
Why do we have families, particularly in the black community, who have been busted apart by all these well-intentioned -- which I even suspect that's not true -- programs such as the old AFDC promising, Go ahead, have another kid, pop it out of the oven, here's another $1,500 bucks a month. So we destroy the family with a New Deal number two, the whole community, and, well, we do deal number three, which is what we're looking at now with all these massive bailouts that might be required.
So it's a variation on the theme of Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand.
After awhile John Galt said, Screw it, I'm checking out.
I'm through supporting everybody else, not my job, not my responsibility, not when they're not trying to help themselves. Atlas Shrugged.
To the phones, because it's Open Line Friday.
Normally we don't go to the phones for at least 90 minutes on this program, but we're going to get there early because it's Open Line Friday.
We're going to start in Goshen, Indiana.
This is Jamie, and it's great to have you here.
CALLER: Rush, first I gotta say, thank you and God bless you for all the work that you do, and you don't know how much people appreciate the truth that you bring to us.
RUSH: Well, thanks, Jamie, very much.
I appreciate that.
CALLER: My question is, I'm a little confused with the liberals and the Democrats.
You said earlier that they have, you know, the liberals are all these rich people that have all this money, but all they want to do is tax us.
Won't they be taxing themselves and getting rid of their own money?
RUSH: This is an excellent question, it's an excellent question, and if this crisis were not going on right now, the answer to the question would be what I'm going to give you, but it's changed a little bit.
The first answer to the question is there's a big difference in income and wealth.
When you hear we're going to raise taxes on the rich, we're starting at $250,000 and going on up.
Now, if you make a lot of income, earned income, it's called, in tax lingo, then the income tax rates, as you earn more, the marginal rates increase apply to you.
But if you are wealthy and you have inherited a lot of money or you've earned a lot of money and now you don't take any earned income, you live off of the interest or the growth of your portfolio, then you're paying and living off capital gains, which is 15% right now.
You're not paying anywhere near 39 to 50, and you're not paying any state income tax.
And so when we talk about the rich, we had a great call here yesterday, Jamie.
This guy was so right on the money.
The Democrats out there, Obama talking about the American dream.
Well, the American dream stops with Obama when you make $250 grand.
Once you make $250 grand, that's when they're going to start taking it away from you.
That's when your tax rates goes up and that's when you keep less of what you earn by a significant amount.
The rich Democrats that always seem to not mind when taxes go up are genuinely wealthy.
They're not working and earning, and I'm talking about Democrats in Congress, Democrats in think tanks in Washington, Democrats in New York.
I'm not talking about the rank-and-file Democrats across the country who have no idea how they're being scammed.
I'm talking about the elite Democrats who pass tax increase legislation.
I for the longest time said, What am I missing here?
Why do these guys want to raise taxes on themselves? It's not about raising taxes on themselves.
They don't do that.
It's about controlling everybody else's life, by limiting your freedom, by limiting how much disposable income you have.
Now, this has changed, however.
This is a dual-edged sword for Obama because everybody says this is a slam-dunk, why, this economic collapse is going to send him over the finish line.
There are a lot of Democrats who make a lot of money who had pretty big portfolios like everybody else, they're down 20, 30%, depending on how much they're invested in the stock market.
And nobody likes losing 20 to 30% of what they have saved or more.
It scares them, and then you pile on top of that the new president is going to raise your taxes even more?
So I think your question, why would Democrats want to vote for somebody that's going to raise taxes?
Some of them may not this year.
I'm talking about rank-and-file Democrats across the country, not the elitists in the Senate and the House and everywhere else, bureaucracies, New York, Wall Street, who write tax law, support it and so forth.
These people in New York that we're talking about on Wall Street and all this corporate greed stuff, these guys, they're all Democrats that run in these financial places with the exception of one big place, they're all liberal Democrats, and they have been hurt.
And when you have 50 million and all of a sudden it becomes 25 or 30, you are not happy.
You don't sit there and say, Well, I've still got 25 or 30 left. You are not happy just like when you lose 25 or 30% of what you have.
END TRANSCRIPT
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Quote: Okay I cant remember who asked me for this but here is the Limbaugh transcript where he is encouraging rioting...at least that's how I saw it however subtly and snarky and an example of the vitriol aimed at Obama.
When Do We Get to Riot?
October 10, 2008
Listen To It!
WMP | RealPlayer
Audio clips available for Rush 24/7 members only -- Join Now!
BEGIN TRANSCRIPT
RUSH: We always hear about riots.
We're going to have riots if that happens, going to have riots if that happens.
Who are the people rioting?
Who are the people protesting?
Well, when you look at who they are the vast majority of them are supported by those of us who play by the rules, we go to work every day, and we pay our taxes.
What do they have to riot about?
When do we get to riot?
Look at what we've had to pay for.
We've had to pay for the second New Deal.
The Great Society, LBJ comes along with the war on poverty, the Great Society.
Now we're learning that we had to pay for a totally corrupt mortgage housing scandal in which Obama and ACORN are deeply embedded.
We have people who were given loans who had no way of paying them back, they weren't even asked to state their income.
And when we hear about all those foreclosures, people losing their homes, and we think, Oh, my gosh, our fellow citizens are being thrown out. No!
It's the people who shoulda never been given the loans in the first place.
It's the people who weren't paying them in the first place.
It was people who were put into these homes when they had no business being put in these homes.
It's not a brief against them.
But this was a scheme and it was a tactic employed by the Democrat Party exclusively to create a never-ending and growing percentage of our population that was totally dependent and owed everything to the Democrat Party.
Now their candidate and their guy, James Carville, Going to be very traumatic out there, very, very traumatic. We know what he means.
When do we riot?
When do we stand up and say, We have paid for all of this;
We have played by the rules, and now you come to us and you tell us that the whole reason this happened is because we are unfair and we are too advantaged and we are too lucky, that it's not right that not everybody can win life's lottery? I'm not suggesting riots, don't misunderstand, folks, I'm just suggesting here that the people who are going to riot are the people who ought to be getting down and thanking every damn one of us, because the New Deal number two -- and, by the way, I think we're in the midst of the New Deal number three here.
And why do we need a New Deal number two if the New Deal number one didn't work?
The New Deal number one did not work.
It did not stop the Great Depression.
World War II did.
The New Deal number two, the Raw Deal, the Great Society and all of that, what did it do?
Why are we having all these problems?
Why do we still have poverty?
Why do we still have people who are uneducated?
Why do we still have people who are down and out with no future in sight?
Why do we have families, particularly in the black community, who have been busted apart by all these well-intentioned -- which I even suspect that's not true -- programs such as the old AFDC promising, Go ahead, have another kid, pop it out of the oven, here's another $1,500 bucks a month. So we destroy the family with a New Deal number two, the whole community, and, well, we do deal number three, which is what we're looking at now with all these massive bailouts that might be required.
So it's a variation on the theme of Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand.
After awhile John Galt said, Screw it, I'm checking out.
I'm through supporting everybody else, not my job, not my responsibility, not when they're not trying to help themselves. Atlas Shrugged.
To the phones, because it's Open Line Friday.
Normally we don't go to the phones for at least 90 minutes on this program, but we're going to get there early because it's Open Line Friday.
We're going to start in Goshen, Indiana.
This is Jamie, and it's great to have you here.
CALLER: Rush, first I gotta say, thank you and God bless you for all the work that you do, and you don't know how much people appreciate the truth that you bring to us.
RUSH: Well, thanks, Jamie, very much.
I appreciate that.
CALLER: My question is, I'm a little confused with the liberals and the Democrats.
You said earlier that they have, you know, the liberals are all these rich people that have all this money, but all they want to do is tax us.
Won't they be taxing themselves and getting rid of their own money?
RUSH: This is an excellent question, it's an excellent question, and if this crisis were not going on right now, the answer to the question would be what I'm going to give you, but it's changed a little bit.
The first answer to the question is there's a big difference in income and wealth.
When you hear we're going to raise taxes on the rich, we're starting at $250,000 and going on up.
Now, if you make a lot of income, earned income, it's called, in tax lingo, then the income tax rates, as you earn more, the marginal rates increase apply to you.
But if you are wealthy and you have inherited a lot of money or you've earned a lot of money and now you don't take any earned income, you live off of the interest or the growth of your portfolio, then you're paying and living off capital gains, which is 15% right now.
You're not paying anywhere near 39 to 50, and you're not paying any state income tax.
And so when we talk about the rich, we had a great call here yesterday, Jamie.
This guy was so right on the money.
The Democrats out there, Obama talking about the American dream.
Well, the American dream stops with Obama when you make $250 grand.
Once you make $250 grand, that's when they're going to start taking it away from you.
That's when your tax rates goes up and that's when you keep less of what you earn by a significant amount.
The rich Democrats that always seem to not mind when taxes go up are genuinely wealthy.
They're not working and earning, and I'm talking about Democrats in Congress, Democrats in think tanks in Washington, Democrats in New York.
I'm not talking about the rank-and-file Democrats across the country who have no idea how they're being scammed.
I'm talking about the elite Democrats who pass tax increase legislation.
I for the longest time said, What am I missing here?
Why do these guys want to raise taxes on themselves? It's not about raising taxes on themselves.
They don't do that.
It's about controlling everybody else's life, by limiting your freedom, by limiting how much disposable income you have.
Now, this has changed, however.
This is a dual-edged sword for Obama because everybody says this is a slam-dunk, why, this economic collapse is going to send him over the finish line.
There are a lot of Democrats who make a lot of money who had pretty big portfolios like everybody else, they're down 20, 30%, depending on how much they're invested in the stock market.
And nobody likes losing 20 to 30% of what they have saved or more.
It scares them, and then you pile on top of that the new president is going to raise your taxes even more?
So I think your question, why would Democrats want to vote for somebody that's going to raise taxes?
Some of them may not this year.
I'm talking about rank-and-file Democrats across the country, not the elitists in the Senate and the House and everywhere else, bureaucracies, New York, Wall Street, who write tax law, support it and so forth.
These people in New York that we're talking about on Wall Street and all this corporate greed stuff, these guys, they're all Democrats that run in these financial places with the exception of one big place, they're all liberal Democrats, and they have been hurt.
And when you have 50 million and all of a sudden it becomes 25 or 30, you are not happy.
You don't sit there and say, Well, I've still got 25 or 30 left. You are not happy just like when you lose 25 or 30% of what you have.
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