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Obama Wants To 'Change' 13th Amend.(Slavery..) For School Kids Into Forced Servitude! - My Block
Forced servitude in America?
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Already has high rates of volunteerism, but that's apparently not good enough for our presidential candidates.[/color]
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July 8, 2008 [/color]
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There's a weird irony at work when Sen.
Barack Obama, the black presidential candidate who will allegedly scrub the stain of racism from the nation, vows to run afoul of the constitutional amendment that abolished slavery.
For those who don't remember, the 13th Amendment says: "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime ...
Shall exist within the United States."
I guess in Obama's mind it must be a crime to be born or to go to college.
In his speech on national service Wednesday at the University of Colorado, Obama promised that as president he would "set a goal for all American middle and high school students to perform 50 hours of service a year, and for all college students to perform 100 hours of service a year."
He would see that these goals are met by, among other things, attaching strings to federal education dollars.
If you don't make the kids report for duty, he's essentially telling schools and college kids, you'll lose money you can't afford to lose.
In short, he'll make service compulsory by merely compelling schools to make it compulsory.
It's funny that, when the right seeks to use the government to impose its values, the left screams about brainwashing and propaganda.
When the left tries it, the right thunders about social engineering.
But when left and right agree -- as seems to be the case on national service -- who's left to complain?
As ever, the slipperiest slopes are greased with the snake oil of "bipartisanship."
After all, Obama's hardly alone.
Sen. John McCain is a passionate supporter of Washington-led (and paid-for) "volunteerism," as is President Bush.
Sen. Christopher J.
Dodd (D-Conn.) and John Edwards both campaigned for the presidency on compulsory national service.
Perhaps thanks to the JFK cult, which sees the refrain "Ask not what your country can do for you ..." as an all-purpose writ for social meddling, even the idealistic hipster crowd is on board.
Devotees of Rolling Stone and MTV, who normally preen like cats in a pool of sunshine over their alleged libertarianism when the issue is sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll, see nothing wrong, and everything right, with involuntary servitude -- as long as we just call it "voluntary."
Volunteerism is good.
But why does every good thing need to be orchestrated by government?
Most people think that churchgoing is a good thing.
Does that mean the government should fund churches?
That's what they do in Europe and -- surprise!
-- most pews sit empty.
Americans are vastly more generous with their time and their money than Europeans.
According to social demographer Arthur C.
Brooks, in 1995 (the last year international comparative data on giving was available), Americans gave 3 1/2 times as much money to charities and causes as the French, seven times more than the Germans and 14 times more than the Italians.
In 1998, Americans also volunteered 21% more than the Swiss and 32% more than Germans -- two countries with compulsory national service.
And yet we're continually told we should emulate them so that America too can have a "culture of service."
But we already have a healthier culture of service without -- as Obama would do -- doubling the size of the Peace Corps or pushing another 250,000 into AmeriCorps.
Indeed, there's ample evidence that countries with intrusive and expensive welfare states stifle their citizens' spirit of charity and volunteerism precisely because people conclude that every problem should be solved by government.
Merely paying your taxes substitutes for charity, and cleaning up roadside litter for two years absolves you from doing anything more.
Time magazine's Richard Stengel speaks for many who insist that American government must consecrate everything.
"The reason private volunteerism is so high is precisely that confidence in our public institutions is so low," he wrote last year in praise of universal national service.
"People see volunteering not as a form of public service but as an antidote for it."
Really?
I would have thought that the world's most charitable and voluntaristic nation -- one with a tradition of service that predates the decline of confidence in public institutions by generations -- might see volunteering as a good in and of itself.
This is the real problem with national service mania: It seeks to fix what ain't broke.
No, national service isn't slavery.
But it contributes to a slave mentality, at odds with American tradition.
It assumes that work not done for the government isn't really for the "common good."
"The central conservative truth is that it is culture, not politics, that determines the success of a society," Daniel Patrick Moynihan famously observed.
"The central liberal truth is that politics can change a culture and save it from itself."
Moynihan was right, of course.
But politics can change a culture for the worse too.
Indoctrinating an entire generation with the idea that public service is something you do at the government's behest would not only steamroll the culture, it would help fewer people in the process.
jgoldberg@latimescolumnists.com
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Why should my child be required to do volunteer work to get access to funds that I have given to the government as a taxpayer.
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Not a Jonah Goldberg fan by any means, but I agree that tying federal education dollars to compulsory volunteerism is a bad idea, though I'm also not convinced it's something that will ever be implemented..
More or less campaign talk..
Chatting up about volunteering sounds good, and in the end, maybe you can tie some education benefits to it or something of that nature..
*EDIT* Kids who who apply for sholarships already do volunteer work..
It looks good on the applications and I'd guess you're less likely to get that money w/out some service..
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Need audio of this.
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Quote: : Not a Jonah Goldberg fan by any means, but I agree that tying federal education dollars to compulsory volunteerism is a bad idea, though I'm also not convinced it's something that will ever be implemented..
More or less campaign talk..
Chatting up about volunteering sounds good, and in the end, maybe you can tie some education benefits to it or something of that nature..
*EDIT* Kids who who apply for sholarships already do volunteer work..
It looks good on the applications and I'd guess you're less likely to get that money w/out some service..
People have enough sense to do things like this without government intervention.
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Quote: : People have enough sense to do things like this without government intervention.
U give people too much credit
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Quote: : Forced servitude in America?
I guess in Obama's mind it must be a crime to be born or to go to college.
In his speech on national service Wednesday at the University of Colorado, Obama promised that as president he would "set a goal for all American middle and high school students to perform 50 hours of service a year, and for all college students to perform 100 hours of service a year."
He would see that these goals are met by, among other things, attaching strings to federal education dollars.
If you don't make the kids report for duty, he's essentially telling schools and college kids, you'll lose money you can't afford to lose.
In short, he'll make service compulsory by merely compelling schools to make it compulsory.
Glad I didnt vote for him and I wonder where this could lead to??
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Quote: : Macc. u give people too much credit Didn't you join the military on your own, and serve your country, or did they force you?
I don't need my government telling me to volunteer or give charitable donations especially when US citizens already do it in greater numbers than many different European countries.
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Quote: : Didn't you join the military on your own, and serve your country, or did they force you?
People serve for a number of reasons, everything from patriotism to paying for college to a steady paycheck to just getting out of town.
Quote: : I don't need my government telling me to volunteer or give charitable donations especially when US citizens already do it in greater numbers than many different European countries.
Real Talk... Macc seemed to miss that part of the article.
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Quote: : People serve for a number of reasons, everything from patriotism to paying for college to a steady paycheck to just getting out of town.
Real Talk...
Macc seemed to miss that part of the article.
Either way they are free to sign up no one forces them to do it .
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Quote: : Either way they are free to sign up no one forces them to do it .
. . . No one forces you to go to college, either.
Besides, I had to volunteer 50 hours in high school, anyways, so this won't really effect NY students.
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Quote: : No one forces you to go to college, either.
Besides, I had to volunteer 50 hours in high school, anyways, so this won't really effect NY students.
The difference between the military and college, Military pays you and I paid to go to college and the money I did get from the government for college I had to pay it back with interest.
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Noble intentions but it'll never happen.
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Quote: : I don't need my government telling me to volunteer or give charitable donations especially when US citizens already do it in greater numbers than many different European countries.
It isn't about that tho, that article is just a piece of shit written by an idiot
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Quote: : it isn't about that tho, that article is just a piece of shit written by an idiot lol...how so?
That's exactly what it's about....it's about the president forcing us to do a certain amount of 'volunteer' work aka FORCED SERVITUDE.
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Quote: : it isn't about that tho, that article is just a piece of shit written by an idiot The forced involuntary servitude part is over the top, but I haven't really been that receptive to some of his proposals acting as if we don't put in enough hours already.
The government has volunteer programs in place already that they neglect, so why you're adding on more when they won't even give precedence to those they already have.
School can't even handle the basics like teaching them how to read handle that first then try to implement some extra.
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I told y'all thats my obama,once elected he will send all you bantu negros back to the cotton fields where you belong,EAST AFRICAN OWNS and slave BANTU WEST AFRICAN APES and WE SHALL CONTINUE THAT WAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.lol
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Another reason my vote is going to Johnny Mac in November!
This other guy's a freakin' Socialist!
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Quote: : Burmy Another reason my vote is going to Johnny Mac in November!
This other guy's a freakin' Socialist!
What are the other reasons?
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Quote: : Noble intentions but it'll never happen.
So what's gonna stop it from happening??
The Constitution??
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Obama isn't ready to be President, he's in over his head.
Forced Servitude???
WTF!
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Quote: : Verbama What are the other reasons?
1. McCain is a Vietnam vet (a POW in fact).
So, I'd trust him more as Commander-in-Chief.
2.
McCain is much older.
With age comes wisdom.
3.
McCain wants to stop the brutal practice of slaughtering unborn babies-Obama sees no problem with that.
That's why I'm voting for McCain.
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Quote: : Burmy 1.
McCain is a Vietnam vet (a POW in fact).
So, I'd trust him more as Commander-in-Chief.
2.
McCain is much older.
With age comes wisdom.
3.
McCain wants to stop the brutal practice of slaughtering unborn babies-Obama sees no problem with that.
That's why I'm voting for McCain.
Looks at location
I was never a Obama supporter, but Gin you're wrong he's not in over his head he's just keeping with the agenda that Bush was following.
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Quote: : Burmy 1.
McCain is a Vietnam vet (a POW in fact).
So, I'd trust him more as Commander-in-Chief.
2.
McCain is much older.
With age comes wisdom.
3.
McCain wants to stop the brutal practice of slaughtering unborn babies-Obama sees no problem with that.
That's why I'm voting for McCain.
Oh okay interesting....Unfortunately for the country, I think the majority of Amerikkkans agree with you..
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Quote: : Burmy 1.
McCain is a Vietnam vet (a POW in fact).
So, I'd trust him more as Commander-in-Chief.
2.
McCain is much older.
With age comes wisdom.
3.
McCain wants to stop the brutal practice of slaughtering unborn babies-Obama sees no problem with that.
That's why I'm voting for McCain.
The first two are ridiculous and the last is a gross exaggeration of what abortion is (although I disagree w/ aborition in practice)
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