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What's with the popularity of Canon Rebel? [Page 1]: Nikon D80 - D40 Forum: Digital Photography Review
I held one in my hand the other day.
The thing feels like a fisher price toy, not to mention its ergonomics, which make me wonder what types of hands was this camera designed for?
Even the tiny D40 feels so much more natural, and its controls, user interface, typography and iconography are so much more..
Natural and appealing.
Is it Canon's marketing, or the fact that most every amateur uses a Rebel, thus contributing to the chain reaction which then compels every other amateur to get one, thinking "since everyone's got one, they must be the best".
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You would probably get some interesting answers if you also posted this question at the EOS forum.
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Maybe it was me too, but when I held the 450 and then the Nikon D60 there was no comparison in feel of quality, the Nikon won hands down.
Also alot of focus problems on the Canon Rebel.
Just seems cheap qualitiy to me also
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Nikon D60 18-55vr & 55-200vr
SB400
Casio Z750
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Part is marketing but there's also a few things the rebel does better.
More AF points, AF with a load of lenses, and pretty good high iso performance.
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Here's my theory.
It may sound tongue in cheek, but for once it isn't, other than bits in brackets.
Canon have a marketing advantage.
Nikon are aloof, out of range of many a mortal, the camera choice of the gods.
As such, the common man (or woman) sees the canon as being available, a name they are used to in cheaper items, a name they more readily identify with.
Nikon have a real dilemma with this, being camera choice of the gods is now mean achievement, but it is also a mill stone around their neck (something no camera company wants to purvey, a mill stone around your neck).
I have two canon cameras, an old sureshot film compact, and an ixus - my first foray into film pitched canon against nikon...
Nikon had more desire...
But was I worthy?
I honestly held the brand with some aw.
Is this utter rubbish, or can anyone else identify with this?
Is it a nikon problem, or am I a simpleton?
Damn, I should have put simpleton in brackets.
I'd like to know what people think, seriously - can marketing create too much prestige for a product and lose out on the mass market because of it?
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I would agree that its marketing.
I've seen quite a few commercials on TV for
Canon rebels.
I can't remember seeing any on the Nikon D80, D40 ect.
Also for consumers I think the word rebel is easier to remember than numbers-- 30d, d40, ect.
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There were alot of commercials out for the Nikon D60.
Saw them everyday for awhile.
I think Canon is just putting more money overall in their marketing campaign.Doesn't mean it is a better camera just check the comments in their forum.
Loads of complaints.
Glad I bought my D60 instead ...
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Nikon D60 18-55vr & 55-200vr
SB400
Casio Z750
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I think part of it is economics: You get more features for the money with Canon than Nikon.
But Nikons are built better and have better ergonomics.
And the features that Nikons DO have work really well.
That's not always the case with Canons, e.g., the well-documented AF problems.
Also, a key factor in my decision to go with a D40 instead of a Rebel XT or XTi was the Nikon lens offering.
It was much more appealing to me than Canon's selection.
Before I bought my D40, I had three Canon film SLRs -- an FTb, an F-1 and an A-1.
But back then, Nikon was the king, and I enjoyed going with the underdog Canons.
Funny how the tables have turned.
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The Rebel is a nice camera- no question about that.
Sure, it has quirks, but every camera model/manufacturer does.
In the end, it's a tool that is capable of capturing great images, just like most other DSLRs.
So, why does it sell the pants off most other brand's entry-level models?
1) It was the FIRST relatively affordable DSLR on the market.
The reason I use a D40 today is Nikon had to answer the challenge started by Canon.
The Rebel put great images with myriad lens choices in the hands of people who just two years before, could never have dreamed of owning such a tool.
2) The best selling compact digitals are still made by Canon.
Those who have a positive experience with their compacts move up to their DSLR offering, hoping for the same positive results.
Whether or not this is the case, Canon sells more cameras.
3) MARKETING.
In my opinion, the biggie.
Nikon, Pentax, Okympus, etc may have better ergs, focusing, IQ, whatever (all objective qualities, not to say that Canon isn't superior in any of these categories), but if Canon is the one putting up the billboards, showing the TV ads, then consumers will assume the Rebel is the only choice out there.
They even sell cameras on the radio!!
How do you judge a camera by HEARING PHOTOGRAPHS?
But they do it, and do it well.
So, in summary, the Rebel sells well because it is the first affordable DSLR, from the most recognized brand in digital cameras, and it's heavily advertised.
It is plasticky, but it has a nice feature set and takes nice photos.
I don't think Nikon is viewed as the 'unattainable' brand anymore.
The D40-class cameras and the D80-90 prove this.
Just my two Denarii
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I think QUINCYCAT is dead on with his answer.
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Quote: :
> I held one in my hand the other day.
The thing feels like a fisher
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Price toy, not to mention its ergonomics, which make me wonder what
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Types of hands was this camera designed for?
Even the tiny D40 feels
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So much more natural, and its controls, user interface, typography
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And iconography are so much more..
Natural and appealing.
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Is it Canon's marketing, or the fact that most every amateur uses a
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Rebel, thus contributing to the chain reaction which then compels
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Every other amateur to get one, thinking "since everyone's got one,
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They must be the best".
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enough of the nikon vs canon bashing already.
This only proves you're more interesting in gears than photography.
People buy what they think is the best for them - it's simple as that.
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It's the same thing that sells so many Harley's these days.
When you know nothing about motorcycles, buy the one that you see the most of.
How a company gets itself into such a happy position is another subject.
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With products covering a wider gamut of consumer choices, Canon is simply a more trusted brand.
Couple that with sheer ingenuity and excellent quality then you have a formidable competitor.
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When I was looking into getting a DSLR, it was between the D40, the Canon XTi and the Olympus E-510.
I went into the store and handled each of them.
The XTi was eliminated first.
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I see many more D40's around than I do Canon rebels.
I think the tide has turned in favour of Nikons because of the build quality and pricing is close to that of Canons.
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Quote: :
> I see many more D40's around than I do Canon rebels.
I think the tide
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Has turned in favour of Nikons because of the build quality and
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Pricing is close to that of Canons.
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I'm sure we could find a Canon thread- "what's up with popularity of the D40/x/60?"
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Great are the works of the LORD;
They are studied by all who delight in them.
-Psalm 111:2
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Most of it is marketing.
You have to remember that Canon sponsors a lot more events than Nikon does.
They also have a hand in other electronic areas, namely printers, both home and commercial grade.
So when it comes to purchasing, consumers just gravitate to Canon naturally as that is what they see in the media and other areas of purchase.
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Nikon did have some commercials running with Ashton Kutcher and the D60:
http://press.nikonusa.com/2008/05/behind_the_scenes_nikon_d60_as.php
Although, to be honest, Maria and her little dog is hard to beat:
http://www.usa.canon.com/...
.../html/Maria_Sharapova/Maria_2007/pg_tvc.html#
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I'd say it's the strong brand and marketing.
The Rebel feels bad in my hand, it feels awkward to hold it, when i hold a Nikon, it feels nice and "right".
Thats why i originally bought into Nikon.
I wanted a DSLR, had a 300D and D70 together, held both and picked the D70.
That was 4 years ago and Nikon still has good ergonomics and Canon has gotten worse.
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Simple answer: because Canon Rebels are good cameras with good feature sets and great image quality.
More nuanced answer:
First, many first-time DSLR users are moving up from P&S cameras, and in that market Canon has in general had better performing cameras than comparable Nikons.
It is natural to want to upgrade with a brand that has been worked well for you in the past.
Second, ergonomics is subjective.
I moved from a Rebel XTi to a Nikon D80 mainly because the XTi grip was too cramped FOR ME, but my wife and my dad preferred the feel of the XTi, and my close friend finds his old XT very comfortable even with telephoto lenses.
To each his own, so there's no reason to disparage the other.
Third, Canon does put more features in its consumer DSLRs (thanks to pressure from Nikon and somewhat ironic since in the prosumer class Nikon tends to put more).
For example, since I use FV lock and exposure bracketing quite a bit, the D40/40x/60 were not a option (hence the D80) whereas comparable Canons have those features.
Fourth, build quality is not THAT important for the average user.
I agree that the D40/40x/60 feel better built than the Rebels (although the XSi is a step forward for Canon), and the Pentax K200D feels better built than the Nikons.
However, for the kind of use that the average user puts in, any of these cameras is GOOD ENOUGH in build quality and will give years of reliable use.
Most people are far more likely to upgrade than to wear out their cameras.
Besides, for most of us cameras are tools, not decorations, so how they look is not the overriding factor.
Fifth, Canon has some lenses that Nikon doesn't (and vice versa).
A colleague of mine just bought an XSi so he could use the excellent Canon 17-55 f/2.8 IS without the added weight of the 40D (Nikon doesn't yet have an equivalent lens with VR).
Others cite the 70-200L as a reason to get a Canon body.
Similarly, Canon users have gone to Nikon because of the 18-200VR and more recently 14-24 that have no Canon equivalent.
Lens and system choice do play a part in camera choice (yes, even at the "bottom" of the DSLR market)
Finally, the Rebels have excellent straight-out-of-the-camera image quality that matches or exceeds that of its competitors.
By now all manufacturers have roughly similar image quality at the same price point (pixel peeping aside), so this isn't a huge issue, but Canons and Nikons do tend to be at the top of the lists.
So, please, let's not start with the attitude that people who go with the other brand are simply lemmings blindly following the crowd and that somehow choosing Nikon makes us endowed with superior judgement.
Simply not true.
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