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Cobalt SS finally gets some respect - Dieselstation Car Forums
Http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?se...article_id=7103
Cobalt SS beats Ralliart, 2009 WRX, and Mazdaspeed3.
I wouldn't say that the Cobalt SS is necessarily the best sport compact on the market, but it's definitely the most underrated.
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It's a pretty hotly contested segment, and I think it really comes down to personal preference.
They're pricey but the GTi or the Cooper S are still my picks, followed closely by the Si.
Kudos to GM for improving on what was already a pretty good car, though I'll wait to hear it from InsideLine.
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If i had to get a 2nd car, i would probably get the SS, Si and then the Cooper S.
Well maybe a toss up between the CooperS and the Mazdaspeed3 but most likely the Mini.
In a battle for supremacy between God and German engineering, beardy is always going to finish second.
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I drove the 205 HP Cobalt SS with the performance package (recaros and LSD) and it had one of the most divine chassis of any car.
With the engine now up to snuff (the 2.0 SC was really rough around the edges), the only complaint I could have against the Cobalt SS is its mediocre interior...which is pretty excusable given how much it costs and how fast it goes.
I imagine the Cobalt SS is 2009's SRT-4 in that respect.
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Quote: It's a pretty hotly contested segment, and I think it really comes down to personal preference.
No doubt.
My favorites are the GTI and Cooper S, but I tend to favor intangibles over outright performance.
What I was getting at was just that I had always kind of assumed that the Cobalt SS was an "also-ran" with a powerful engine, not a serious contender.
Quote: Kudos to GM for improving on what was already a pretty good car, though I'll wait to hear it from InsideLine.
The detailed, written article...
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drive...rticleId=125288
And the minimally-informative companion video.
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Movie is gone, mitlov.
(edit, works)
Makes me want to test drive one.
I might be tempted to get one as my next car if it wasn't fwd...
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I went to some local drag races with some people on the cobaltSS.net forums a year ago and they ran consistently faster times than the Si.
The positives in that video vastly outweigh the negatives.
I would rather have the coupe over a 5-door Astra or the 4dr body and I am not yet sick of how it looks, furthermore, this car is rumored to be phased out in 2010 and to be replaced by the Chevy Cruz.
And as far as interior space I've had no issues with it, in fact I have more headroom than I did with my Cougar in the back seats.
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How is the new Spec V not up to these standards?
I really feel like Nissan dropped the ball on that car.
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Quote: How is the new Spec V not up to these standards?
I really feel like Nissan dropped the ball on that car.
Yeah, the Spec V is really weak, especially considering that they could have pulled from the Renaultsport parts bin and that the Sentra platform-shares with the Megane.
CAR Magazine's test drive of the Renaultsport Megane 230 F1 Team R26
Though the "weakest sport compact effort on the market" award goes, without question, to the new Corolla XRS.
And before you say it's not a sport compact, consider not just the garish bodywork but the $22,800 out-the-door price (the cheapest I can configure on Toyota's webpage).
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The Spec V sounds like it's not bad to me...not great, but not bad.
It looks reasonably attractive as an overall package when you realize it's the only one in that segment that's around the $20k mark when $25k+ is quickly becoming the standard issue pricetag for sport compacts.
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Quote: No doubt. My favorites are the GTI and Cooper S, but I tend to favor intangibles over outright performance.
What I was getting at was just that I had always kind of assumed that the Cobalt SS was an "also-ran" with a powerful engine, not a serious contender.
Amen.
Quote: The Spec V sounds like it's not bad to me...not great, but not bad.
It looks reasonably attractive as an overall package when you realize it's the only one in that segment that's around the $20k mark when $25k+ is quickly becoming the standard issue pricetag for sport compacts.
Heh...I actually like the SE-R's styling...I think Motive had a piece comparing the original SE-R to the current one, highlighting how it is a good car, just not a special one.
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Quote: The Spec V sounds like it's not bad to me...not great, but not bad.
It looks reasonably attractive as an overall package when you realize it's the only one in that segment that's around the $20k mark when $25k+ is quickly becoming the standard issue pricetag for sport compacts.
The Spec V starts at $20,570.
The Civic Si starts at $21,805, and has better standard equipment (LSD, sunroof, 350-watt sound system with subwoofer).
If you want any of these things on the Spec V, you need to get all of these things together.
All in all, including D&H, an Si is $22,475 out the door, and a similarly-equipped Spec V is $23,445.
And for comparison, the Cobalt SS Turbo with a sunroof and its best sound system (and the standard LSD) is $24,285.
Basically, I don't think that a Spec V is worth $1,000 more than a similarly-equipped Civic Si, or that it's only worth $800 less than a similarly-equipped Cobalt SS Turbo.
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The Si is also a bargain in its segment so I feel like it emphasizes my point more than it refutes it...and as for the Cobalt SS comparison, we have to admit that the Sentra is screwed together much nicer than the Chevy, especially inside (nicer materials and design, too).
Also, god knows you can get a Spec V out the door for less money than an Si.
I'm not trying to say the Spec V is the best in its segment or anything ridiculous like that but I am saying that it's not bad.
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Wow, a lot of Spec V defense going on...
Anyone wanna buy mine?
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Gimme some details on it.
I have a friend who MAY be interested (but I'd sorta doubt it).
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Ooooh a turbocharger and an intercooler!
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We all know that GTI is the gold standard
Seriously though, I would argue that the Nissan is screwed together better than the Chevy.
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I dunno b0mb3r, the QR25DE has a history of being a piece of shit and blowing up/sludging/sucking at life.
Nissan interiors aren't that impressive either.
My brother in law had a Sentra SE-R (like an '03) that was barely running by 100k.
Not something you could say about a Honda, usually.
Incidentally, my choice in this market would have to be a Civic Si sedan with navigation.
Very, very appealing car.
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Quote: I dunno b0mb3r, the QR25DE has a history of being a piece of shit and blowing up/sludging/sucking at life.
Nissan interiors aren't that impressive either.
My brother in law had a Sentra SE-R (like an '03) that was barely running by 100k.
Not something you could say about a Honda, usually.
Incidentally, my choice in this market would have to be a Civic Si sedan with navigation.
Very, very appealing car.
Yeah, I was going to say that neither GM nor Nissan has a fantastic history with reliable four-bangers, and neither is known for their interiors.
The Spec V may have the edge over the SS here on those fronts, but is it enough to make up for the vast performance difference and a $800 price difference?
Remember that the people who really care about reliability will probably be in a Civic Si instead of either, and the people who really care about interiors will probably be in a GTI instead of either.
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Quote: we all know that GTI is the gold standard
Nah, that would be the Renaultsport Megane...but you don't get that do you
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