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You know, after the crap they pulled last year (and the year before that, and the year before that, and the year before that...) I didn't think it was possible for the Burmese (Myanmar) gov't to get more flipping IN-SANE, but I swear, their reaction to the cyclone surpasses even the dumbass stupidity of the Bush response post-Katrina.
Basically the entire lower HALF of Burma is under water, the death toll could reach a whopping 100,000 and those crazy fuckwits are STILL unwilling to let anyone help their paranoid asses!
I swear, they are working my last nerve....
This post has been edited by 5by5: May 7 2008, 03:54 PM
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Yeah
And I was GALLED to see BUsh and his wife of all people criticizing them for doing nothing.
Those poor people - this has forcible shock doctrine written all over it, and if we do that, the opportunistic plunder will look like an act of mercy.
It will be praised instead of denounced.
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Quote: Yeah
And I was GALLED to see BUsh and his wife of all people criticizing them for doing nothing.
Those poor people - this has forcible shock doctrine written all over it, and if we do that, the opportunistic plunder will look like an act of mercy.
It will be praised instead of denounced.
Good point about it NOT LOOKING like opportunistic plunder.
Hadn't thought of that.
5by5 said:
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. . but I swear, their reaction to the cyclone surpasses even the dumbass stupidity of the Bush response post-Katrina.
And yeah, it's hard to believe anyone could top the Bush Administration in the caring category.
Verdict: These fears and smears contain zero punch.
Le future awaits.
"So up they picked me by the big toe.
I was held from the rooftop then they let go.
Dizzily screaming.
'Let the windows down' as I crawl to the ground.
If you'd only say yes." ~ Coldplay's Yes
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Seriously, while the United States should ABSOLUTELY help out there, noone in the Shrub Administration should be the spokesman for that effort -- especially considering that they refused the help of other countries like Cuba, Jamaica, and Venezuela when Katrina went down.
They literally have no room to talk.
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Http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080509/ap_on_...myanmar_cyclone
Quote: UN halts aid to Myanmar after junta seizes supplies
Nearly a week after the storm, survivors are now having to contend with rotting corpses of people and animals as they wait for food, clean water and medicine.
"Many are not buried and lie in the water.
They have started rotting and the stench is beyond words," Anders Ladekarl, head of the Danish Red Cross.
About 20,000 body bags were being sent so volunteers from the Myanmar chapter of the Red Cross can start collecting bodies, he said.
ARRRRGGGHHHH!!!!
Those IDIOTS are just inviting a cholera epidemic, and disease knows no borders.
Pretty soon, this will begin to endanger their neighbors.
This kind of criminal negligence....
I have no words.
This post has been edited by 5by5: May 9 2008, 09:30 AM
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Reminds me of Katrina.
When we were sitting here with nothing available our government was turning down international aid.
Hopefully if money is earmarked for the Burmese people to rebuild it won't be used to shut down public housing and build parks.
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Quote: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080509/ap_on_...myanmar_cyclone
ARRRRGGGHHHH!!!!
Those IDIOTS are just inviting a cholera epidemic, and disease knows no borders.
Pretty soon, this will begin to endanger their neighbors.
This kind of criminal negligence....
I have no words.
Watching BBC news now .
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I cannot think of a better reason, in the history of this whole entire fucking world, than to invade and occupy a country!!!
Force this government of Burma to pay for what they are doing!
Why can't human beings get this right!!!
THIS IS WHEN YOU INVADE AND OCCUPY A COUNTRY!!
TO SAVE AND HELP PEOPLE WHO ARE BEING PURPOSELY LEFT TO DIE!!!
This post has been edited by egghead: May 9 2008, 07:01 PM
Verdict: These fears and smears contain zero punch.
Le future awaits.
"So up they picked me by the big toe.
I was held from the rooftop then they let go.
Dizzily screaming.
'Let the windows down' as I crawl to the ground.
If you'd only say yes." ~ Coldplay's Yes
"Retreating and advancing, across the sky until the end of time." DeVotchKa
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Quote: Watching BBC news now .
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I cannot think of a better reason, in the history of this whole entire fucking world, than to invade and occupy a country!!!
Force this government of Burma to pay for what they are doing!
Why can't human beings get this right!!!
THIS IS WHEN YOU INVADE AND OCCUPY A COUNTRY!!
TO SAVE AND HELP PEOPLE WHO ARE BEING PURPOSELY LEFT TO DIE!!!
But they ain't got no oil, Eggy, so they don't need saving.
GWB opposes going into Burma uninvited because he doesn't think a war should be fought over shaving cream.
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Quote: But they ain't got no oil, Eggy, so they don't need saving.
GWB opposes going into Burma uninvited because he doesn't think a war should be fought over shaving cream.
Actually, the do have oil.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burmah_Oil_Company_Ltd.
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Quote: But they ain't got no oil, Eggy, so they don't need saving.
Actually, they have tons of oil, it's just that it's already been exploited.
Total Oil and Chevron (Condi's old company) have already used slave labor to build a pipeline, and they are profiting off the oil Burma sells largely to China.
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THIS IS WHEN YOU INVADE AND OCCUPY A COUNTRY!!
TO SAVE AND HELP PEOPLE WHO ARE BEING PURPOSELY LEFT TO DIE!!!
Yeah, damn shame a certain Chimp decimated our military, huh?
I wish it could be done non-violently, but several well-placed bullets in the skulls of the Junta leaders would regrettably speed matters up in helping the majority of the people there.
This is when a commitment to do no harm becomes problematic.
By leaving the Junta leaders alive, you allow them to not only hurt their people, but their own karma.
Yet if you kill them, you still will have taken a life.
Even if it's to save others, it's still taking a life.
And whether the Junta is there or not, suffering is a fact of our existence.
From the moment you're born, you begin to die.
And all beings suffer along the road.
The degree to which that occurs, depends largely on how compassionately we treat each other -- which is why such a crisis is so unnerving and frustrating.
Much of this suffering, as with Katrina, is completely preventable.
The only good that ever really comes from a tragedy like this, is that it can potentially awaken our compassion for our fellow men, as it clearly has in you, Eggy (you remind me of myself just screaming at the TV during Katrina).
Try to focus on that feeling of compassion, and channel your anger - channel it even away from the Junta leaders.
Thought is a force more powerful than most realize.
Transform your anger by giving kindness to someone you meet at random, or acting to help an organization that might repair the country later.
Truth is, the Junta leaders are the most deluded of all, and they will pay a horrible price for this act of neglect over the span of many lifetimes to come.
They are pitiful creatures.
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Quote: Actually, the do have oil.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burmah_Oil_Company_Ltd.
Well, then, full speed ahead!
OK, actually I thought they had next to nothing.
The link doesn't provide any detail as to what amount the "Burma Oil Co.
Produces. In fact, the link only establishes the Wikipedia has no listing for Burma Oil Co.
I know that last year Chevron was the only remaining big oil firm in the nation, and they were there as a token presence.
I vaguely recall that even they left this past winter/spring when things started getting even hotter there.
And they weren't there for oil per se, but to try and build a pipeline to take Burma's oil, virtually all of it, directly to Thailand for that nation's use.
I don't believe there really is much at all, certainly not by Iraq/Iran/Saudi standards.
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I say either go in there and take the place over or let 'em rot.
One or the other,don't send one grain of rice in there just to have their " leaders " steal it.
I reiterate, take the place over or let 'em rot.
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Can't say I find the, "let 'em rot" scenario satisfying or even tolerable.
If even one life is saved via food aid or other types of assistence, it is worth it.
As much as is humanly possible, the Buddhist monasteries must be strengthened - they are the real infrastructure in that country, not the Junta, who's only real concern is creating that psychotic gated community up north in their spiffy new "manufactured capital".
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Quote: Actually, they have tons of oil, it's just that it's already been exploited.
Total Oil and Chevron (Condi's old company) have already used slave labor to build a pipeline, and they are profiting off the oil Burma sells largely to China.
It appears that, at least for the time being, the bulk of their energy revenues are in natural gas.
The effort to get oil companies to divest themselves of business in Burma APPEARED to succeed, but only because the civil unrest in Burma exploded shortly after the push got underway.
When shit started burning, everybody other than Chevron did leave.
In fact, US law prohibits most other oil companies from doing business in Burma, but Chevron's deal (actually, a deal they took over from Unocal) was in place before sanctions were imposed.
It was Unocal that was accused of using slave labor for the pipeline.
Once Unocal settled the suit, Chevron took over.
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Quote: It was Unocal that was accused of using slave labor for the pipeline.
Once Unocal settled the suit, Chevron took over.
I'm aware it was formerly Unocal, primarily because the lawsuit against the company was the first time a major multinational corporation was successfully threatened with a revocation of their incorporation by Californian citizens for that very activity.
But Chevron's policies after buying the company have been no better, and have in essence continued the same crap new day.
And frankly, even if it hadn't, when you buy a company, you're also buying it's sins.
If that company say, poisoned people, and those people then sue for reparations, sorry, but you gotta pay.
If you adopt it's assets, you also adopt it's liabilities.
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In continuing news on the current crisis, we now know what was worth letting people die rather than recieve timely assistance -- the Junta needed time to put their names on the aid boxes to take credit for help they didn't provide:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080510/ap_on_...myanmar_cyclone
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[Sigh...]
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/as...ath-825404.html
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For further info on these matters, THIS LINK and THIS LINK
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Quote: In continuing news on the current crisis, we now know what was worth letting people die rather than recieve timely assistance -- the Junta needed time to put their names on the aid boxes to take credit for help they didn't provide:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080510/ap_on_...myanmar_cyclone
Don't think for a minute that I approve of the dictatorship there but I have some problems with the way things are being reported.
First, remember that we're only hearing what our oligarchy wants us to hear.
Remember that the last disaster the western world sent "aid" for ended up aiding western corporations and indivuduals into ownership of vast tracts of prime beachfront property at the expense of all the fishing villiages (a huge number of the people from these co-opted villages still live in refuge camps and are at risk of starvation and plagued by disease).
Remember that western "aid" is rarely "free" and usually comes with strings attached.
Want rice to feed the starving?
Open up your foreign ownership rules so western speculators can boom and bust your economy.
Want milk for babies?
Privatize your phone company and do away with social programs.
Now put on your thinking cap and analyze some of the recent reports.
The news around here has been all indignant and goading people to pull out the torches and pitchforks against the Myanmar dictatorship because they had the gall to insist that only they distribute aid.
As a result, the UN was "forced" to suspend aid shipments.
Turn this around for a minute.
The Junta is evil and kllling people because it insists that only its people deliver aid, it has not refused the aid, just the propaganda victory that letting foreigners distribute the aid would bring.
The UN is no different.
It didn't stop aid shipments because the Junta was stealing the aid, it was stopping the shipments because it insists that only ITS people distribute the aid.
How is that any different from the Junta's position?
The UN talking heads keep yapping about being non-political and only interested in getting aid to those that need it.
If this were true, they wouldn't have stopped shipments at all - they admit the Junta is delivering the aid so why is it "forced" to stop?
It seems to me that what is important to the UN (read - US) is getting its people on the ground, not the aid.
Aid is just the excuse to be there.
HEY UN GUYS, SHIP THE AID SO PEOPLE DON"T DIE WHILE YOU WORK OUT WAYS TO GET US CORPORATE OPERATIVES INTO THE COUNTRY.
This disaster is not the "wonderfull opportunity" (for profits) that Condi Rice was crowing about after the Asian Tsunami.
Asia is onto you so give it up.
Show that you're better than the dictators and stop playing politics with tens of thousands of people's lives.
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