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Soooo . . . - ebassist dot com
I took the plunge yesterday and finally bought an imac.
Already, I'm loving it much more than Vista.
Any useful apps I should know about?
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Have fun w/ garageband!
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From the frying pan to the fire.
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Wise choice
VMWare makes a product called "Fusion" if you wanted to run a virtual Windows(or any OS that will run on a PC, actually) machine for some reason(you still need to have a Windows cd).
It's a way of running a Windows environment inside your Mac in case you have any Windows-only apps you need to run.
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Quote: : beam said...
Wise choice
VMWare makes a product called "Fusion" if you wanted to run a virtual Windows(or any OS that will run on a PC, actually) machine for some reason(you still need to have a Windows cd).
It's a way of running a Windows environment inside your Mac in case you have any Windows-only apps you need to run.
Or he can just dual-boot Windows.
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Quote: : 82Daion said...
Or he can just dual-boot Windows.
He can, but I've found it a lot nicer to have both running at the same time
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Quote: : 82Daion said...
Or he can just dual-boot Windows.
It's a pain.
I always have some sort of VM on my comps.
That way you don't have to reboot, for my desktop which is needs be up and running this a life saver.
Plus you can install OSs and see how they are.
I sometimes do VM installs to test out the waters.
I hate dual booting, besides, why should I shut off linux?
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My next computer will likely be a Mac if Windows doesn't dump this horror story called Vista soon.
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Quote: : Low Tone said...
My next computer will likely be a Mac if Windows doesn't dump this horror story called Vista soon.
I'm predicting that Windows Vista will be remembered in the same vein as Windows ME.
Crappy, but the source of at least one or two decent components(System Restore being ME's only contribution really).
While Windows 7 will be more like XP was...ok to start with, but then a very decent OS by the time it was properly patched.
Or at least, Microsoft better hope that Windows 7 can replicate some of XP's glory.
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Quote: : beam said...
I'm predicting that Windows Vista will be remembered in the same vein as Windows ME.
Crappy, but the source of at least one or two decent components(System Restore being ME's only contribution really).
While Windows 7 will be more like XP was...ok to start with, but then a very decent OS by the time it was properly patched.
Or at least, Microsoft better hope that Windows 7 can replicate some of XP's glory.
Microsoft never really takes away anything from their OSs....
So IMO microshaft will always suck from here on out.
I don't need any of those "features." *cough*
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Quote: : beam said...
I'm predicting that Windows Vista will be remembered in the same vein as Windows ME.
Crappy, but the source of at least one or two decent components(System Restore being ME's only contribution really).
While Windows 7 will be more like XP was...ok to start with, but then a very decent OS by the time it was properly patched.
Or at least, Microsoft better hope that Windows 7 can replicate some of XP's glory.
I dunno.... The commercials are still really pushing Vista.
http://www.mojaveexperiment.com/?fbid=Bierge
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Congrats on the mac, dude.
I only use mine to write with and to surf the net for the right things.
For the writing I've only installed Office for Mac.
Got Word, Excel etc with some nice touches.
All the rest of the apps I use came with the machine like iCal etc.
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Quote: : Low Tone said...
I dunno.... The commercials are still really pushing Vista.
http://www.mojaveexperiment.com/?fbid=Bierge Well, of course they are.
They still have a product to sell
They aren't going to just admit, "Ok, Ok...so it's not that great....we'll try again in a year or so."
I heart the Mojave Experiment, it's so laughable.
It's essentially marketing that says, "Look, it's not as bad as you thought!"
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Quote: : beam said...
Wise choice
VMWare makes a product called "Fusion" if you wanted to run a virtual Windows(or any OS that will run on a PC, actually) machine for some reason(you still need to have a Windows cd).
It's a way of running a Windows environment inside your Mac in case you have any Windows-only apps you need to run.
Interesting. I plan on eventually installing some sort of VM to run XP, but I'll have to compare Fusion to Parallels before I make any decision.
Honestly, one of my biggest fears of switching to a mac was that I would have to reformat my external hard drive with all of my music to make it play nicely.
Hooked it up last night and everything worked just fine.
Haven't gotten much of a chance to toy around with GarageBand yet, but tomorrow I'll hook up my TonePort and check it out.
BTW, does anyone know of a good audio converter in the same vein to dbpoweramp?
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I have a Mac and my wife has a new PC with Vista.
Vista is like a poor, retarded version of a Mac OS.
Just horrible. I will never work on anything but a Mac, but my wife just needed something to surf the internet on so we went the cheap route with the PC.
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Quote: : willsellout said...
I have a Mac and my wife has a new PC with Vista.
Vista is like a poor, retarded version of a Mac OS.
Just horrible. I will never work on anything but a Mac, but my wife just needed something to surf the internet on so we went the cheap route with the PC.
You could install a different OS on it.
You don't HAVE to use the stock OS.
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Quote: : oldivor said...
You could install a different OS on it.
You don't HAVE to use the stock OS.
True, but the problem is that Linux isn't that user friendly (yet).
Whenever Linus becomes friendly enough to be "point and click" friendly to the general populace, then it will be a viable option.
[/drunken rambling]
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Quote: : El Duderino said...
True, but the problem is that Linux isn't that user friendly (yet).
Whenever Linus becomes friendly enough to be "point and click" friendly to the general populace, then it will be a viable option.
[/drunken rambling] And here-in lies the great debate with Oldivor.
Linux is only free if your time has no value.
If you want to tinker with everything, compile your own video drivers, or wait for some 16 year old in his mom's basement in Oslo to finish up his beta version of the driver your wireless card needs....Linux is your OS.
There are a few flavors out there, Ubuntu for example, that are very user-friendly right out of the box.
And if all you ever really want to do is browse the web, check your email, and listen to music;
It works just fine.
Beyond that, it can be a pain and you really need to know what your doing.
I prefer OS X to pretty much everything out there.
The functionality is fantastic, the design is very user-friendly, it's rock solid, and I have yet to run into something I either couldn't do or had a problem with any device I needed to hook up to it.
That's the big difference between OS X and Linux.
When you pay a team of professionals to create a product, it's going to be better than something people come up with for fun.
Server-grade/Enterprise Linux is another story.
The good stuff also tends not to be free
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VLC and OpenOffice are musts.
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Quote: : El Duderino said...
True, but the problem is that Linux isn't that user friendly (yet).
Whenever Linus becomes friendly enough to be "point and click" friendly to the general populace, then it will be a viable option.
[/drunken rambling] It's getting pretty damn close.
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Quote: : beam said...
Server-grade/Enterprise Linux is another story.
The good stuff also tends not to be free For embedded development, Linux is also incredibly good and of course, free.
That's what I'm using and it makes life so much easier.
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Quote: : beam said...
And here-in lies the great debate with Oldivor.
Linux is only free if your time has no value.
If you want to tinker with everything, compile your own video drivers, or wait for some 16 year old in his mom's basement in Oslo to finish up his beta version of the driver your wireless card needs....Linux is your OS.
There are a few flavors out there, Ubuntu for example, that are very user-friendly right out of the box.
And if all you ever really want to do is browse the web, check your email, and listen to music;
It works just fine.
Beyond that, it can be a pain and you really need to know what your doing.
I prefer OS X to pretty much everything out there.
The functionality is fantastic, the design is very user-friendly, it's rock solid, and I have yet to run into something I either couldn't do or had a problem with any device I needed to hook up to it.
That's the big difference between OS X and Linux.
When you pay a team of professionals to create a product, it's going to be better than something people come up with for fun.
Server-grade/Enterprise Linux is another story.
The good stuff also tends not to be free Most of the large companies are providing drivers for linux now FYI.
And I have everything on my comps working, I'm not waiting for some to finish writing something.
Har har
I don't spend that much time on my computers and most of that is playing(aka breaking and fixing) with them.
And what beyond that is a pain in the butt?
Setting up a printer?
"When you pay a team of professionals to create a product, it's going to be better than something people come up with for fun.
" Oh hell you just didn't say that.
Linux is more secure, takes up less CPU power, uses RAM better etc etc than popular commercial OSs.
Besides, Linus gets paid to develops by the linux foundation and other people donate millions of hours developing linux and programs that work with it, you can't say that about MS or apple.
It may not be the most user friendly but it's just not some OS people have fun with.
"Server-grade/Enterprise Linux is another story.
The good stuff also tends not to be free " I know a couple admins at a couple of places which I wouldn't say their but one likes Debian and the other likes FreeBSD(not linux but related, though).
I don't mind you not liking linux, it's not for every one.
But please, don't spew lies out of your mouth.
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Quote: : beam said...
There are a few flavors out there, Ubuntu for example, that are very user-friendly right out of the box.
My brother has Ubuntu on his computer.
That piece of trash blows goats almost as hard as Vista.
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Quote: : oldivor said...
I don't mind you not liking linux, it's not for every one.
But please, don't spew lies out of your mouth.
I forgot what a treat you can be.
Let me put it another way.
I work in the technology field.
I have friends and colleagues who work in this field that range from small shops to huge companies, small non-profits to medium sized city administration.
And I can tell you that the overwhelming majority of them are like me.
They think Linux is pretty slick and has made some great leaps and bounds in the last years(Shit, I remember installing Red Hat 5.2 and needing to find the box my monitor came in to look up the refresh rate so I could actually SEE something), but it isn't something they take as a serious alternative to the average user's desktop.
And like me, the vast majority of them do not want to fuck around with something by the time they get home.
Their jobs are irritating enough without having to come home to "work" some more on their home machines.
The few that do, are like the aforementioned people I talked about who like to tinker.
Not everyone is like that.
In fact, most people aren't like that.
I'm tickled pink that you know a few admins who run Linux(or Unixy systems), but all the admins I know that run Linux at their jobs run flavors you have to pay for.
They use them to manage huge SANs, enterprise-grade backup software, content management and perimeter security/inspection, and all other manner of professional systems.
It's mostly command line, and a lot of the GUI options that are available aren't always that intuitive.
Yes, it's stable and secure and all those nice things...which is why it's used for these kind of important systems....but appropriate for the typical end-user, it simply is not.
Believe me, the average computer user has a hard enough fucking time with Windows and even OS X.
I've supported hundreds of them using both of those systems.
Linux simply isn't yet ready for the standard user.
And as far as the enterprise/corporate world is concerned, it's still firmly within the realm of the IT nerds who know exactly wtf they are doing with it.
Thus concludes my interest in this thread.
El Dude, I run a Mac at home.
If you have any questions, feel free to drop me a PM!
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Quote: : Pugflop said...
VLC I forgot about VLC, good call!
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Quote: : beam said...
I forgot what a treat you can be.
Let me put it another way.
I work in the technology field.
I have friends and colleagues who work in this field that range from small shops to huge companies, small non-profits to medium sized city administration.
And I can tell you that the overwhelming majority of them are like me.
They think Linux is pretty slick and has made some great leaps and bounds in the last years(Shit, I remember installing Red Hat 5.2 and needing to find the box my monitor came in to look up the refresh rate so I could actually SEE something), but it isn't something they take as a serious alternative to the average user's desktop.
And like me, the vast majority of them do not want to fuck around with something by the time they get home.
Their jobs are irritating enough without having to come home to "work" some more on their home machines.
The few that do, are like the aforementioned people I talked about who like to tinker.
Not everyone is like that.
In fact, most people aren't like that.
I'm tickled pink that you know a few admins who run Linux(or Unixy systems), but all the admins I know that run Linux at their jobs, run the very expensive flavors and they make sure they pay for the support.
They use them to manage huge SANs, enterprise-grade backup software, content management and perimeter security/inspection, and all other manner of professional systems.
It's mostly command line, and the GUIs that are available are not often intuitive.
Yes, it's stable and secure and all those nice things...which is why it's used for these kind of important systems....but appropriate for the typical end-user, it simply is not.
Believe me, the average computer user has a hard enough fucking time with Windows and even OS X.
I've supported hundreds of them using both of those systems.
Linux simply isn't yet ready for the standard user.
And as far as the enterprise/corporate world is concerned, it's still firmly within the realm of the IT nerds who know exactly wtf they are doing with it.
Thus concludes my interest in this thread.
El Dude, I run a Mac at home.
If you have any questions, feel free to drop me a PM!
That still doesn't change the fact that you didn't know what you were talking about the the post I replied too.
Because, I never SAID linux was for everyone.
I never SAID it WAS ready for the standard user.
Please point out when I did.
The people who I've talked too(who really know their shit) basically said GUIs also create holes in the security.
Personally if you're getting paid to do something you shouldn't NEED a GUI because you should know your shit.
Hell RTFM. I certainly trust them over someone who thinks linux isn't as good because the user doesn't get assfucked by the developers demanding huge amounts of money.
I just said how linux was better (basically in everything but user friendliness), and how it's getting better in the idiot GUI section.
I never said it was for every one, it's simply an OPTION.
Besides, once you get linux up and running it pretty much stays that way.
And I've yet to see how the "paid flavor" is any better.
Basically when the USER is stuck they can get some one on the phone.
It's support you're buying, NOT a better distro/OS/or-ever-you-want-to-call-it.
Are you finished changing the subject?
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Quote: : beam said...
Or wait for some 16 year old in his mom's basement
YouTube Video ERROR: If you can see this, then YouTube is down or you don't have Flash installed.
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Quote: : Low Tone said...
My brother has Ubuntu on his computer.
That piece of trash blows goats almost as hard as Vista.
Question, do you know how it works under the GUI?
Personally I even like gnome over windows GUIs.
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Quote: : oldivor said...
Question, do you know how it works under the GUI?
Personally I even like gnome over windows GUIs.
Hell.... I can't even make it's GUI work.
My biggest bitch was it's automatic system tools.
He had a bug somewhere and I couldn't get into the damn system to find it because everything was supposed to be running automatically.
It wasn't catching whatever it was causing the problem and wouldn't let me in to find it.
Not to mention that several basic web applications that run flawlessly in Windows and any number of other OS's won't function at all on Ubuntu.
YouTube sends it into absolute fits.
And admit it....
I threw you for a loop just by knowing what you meant by GUI
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Quote: : Low Tone said...
Hell.... I can't even make it's GUI work.
My biggest bitch was it's automatic system tools.
He had a bug somewhere and I couldn't get into the damn system to find it because everything was supposed to be running automatically.
It wasn't catching whatever it was causing the problem and wouldn't let me in to find it.
Not to mention that several basic web applications that run flawlessly in Windows and any number of other OS's won't function at all on Ubuntu.
YouTube sends it into absolute fits.
And admit it....
I threw you for a loop just by knowing what you meant by GUI That's sort of vague...
Swiftweasel works wonders for me and everything works.
And what automatic system tools are you talking about?
Sounds like something happened that wasn't suppose to.
Not really, now TUI or CLI maybe.
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