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Getting down too it - alt.games.warbirds
I guess the left has dropped the pretense that race doesn't matter to them.
Quote: : "I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on," she said in an interview with USA TODAY.
As evidence, Clinton cited an Associated Press article "that found how Sen.
Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me."
"There's a pattern emerging here," she said.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politic...nterview_N.htm
Worth noting is that Obama fired the first shot.
Bill clinton said that Obama played the race card on him over the JJ statement he made.
Bill also said that he suspected that he thought that playing the race card was a planned strategy.
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Gee! Where did all the Holier than thou lefties go.
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Whats the problem?
You don't like President McCain?
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Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me."
"There's a pattern emerging here," she said.
What;
That old, dumb rednecks are less likely to vote for a black guy?
Gee, never saw that coming.
There.
Feel better now?
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Quote: :
"What; that old, dumb rednecks are less likely to vote for a black guy?
Gee, never saw that coming."
And 95% of Blacks are voting for Obama.
Are they racists?
Or are they just "old and dumb"??
As it stands today, Clinton is correct.
A "coalition" of limousine liberals, Blacks, and college kids won't be enough to elect Obama.
But it is still a long way to November....
C.
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Its simple math...
90% of the 20% black population that votes will vote for the black guy.
55% of the 60% of the country that is white will NOT vote for the black guy.
The people who will decide the race are the hispanic voters..if they turn out large and vote for someone in high percentage numbers, the race is over either way.
Hence, VERYONE involved is pandering to every latino cause they can, including those that want to take the SW US back into Mexico..
Right now no one cares as long as they get the votes.
If latino's vote strongly against the black candidate...
He loses.. if they vote strongly against the white guy..
He loses.
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America is too racist for a black president.
I'm hoping I'm wrong but I don't think I am.
And Hillary has too much cock-sucking baggage from her stint as first lady to espouse "family values" not to mention her ties to the current administration and its money/power which will leave us with President McCain.
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Quote: : America is too racist for a black hard core socialist president.
I fixed it for you.
If Baracks politics were more that of a classic centrist Democrat ala Bill Clintons first term platform, then he'd probably walk away with the election.
As it is, he has his work cut out for him making folks believe he is what he isn't.
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The current profit at all cost ideology is not working is it?
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Quote: : Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me."
"There's a pattern emerging here," she said.
What;
That old, dumb rednecks are less likely to vote for a black guy?
Gee, never saw that coming.
There.
Feel better now?
That was classic.
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Quote: : The current profit at all cost ideology is not working is it?
It rarely does.
But it doesn't necessarily make the alternative idealogy any more attractive just by process of elimination.
They both suck in their current configurations.
I for one, have less of a problem with the individual idealogies as much as I do how representatives from each milk and game the system to curry favor, power and largess for their own gain in the name of 'elected representation'.
But we're far beyond the tipping point of having a responsbile, transparent federal government that acts as a equitable steward of the future, regardless of who's in power.
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Lugnut, we were beyond that before the ink was dry on the Articles of Confederation.
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I'd like to build a birdcage big enough to accommodate Easymo, complete with a perch for him to sit on, and one of those little mirrors that he could look into, and see his reflection, and start a great big-ass fight with himself, and repeatedly bash his face into the mirror wondering why that OTHER stupid old bigot won't shut the f*ck up.
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Hopefully, America sees it as Hillary, who wouldnt have anything to do with chasing the presidency if she hadnt married Bill, or Obama, who has seen this as his destiny from day one.
She just seems to want it too much for someone who has had to 'learn' how to do it as compared to someone who is a natural.
JMHO..
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Quote: : She just seems to want it too much...
Her run for the presidency has been in the open from the first day she ran for senator, it probably was in the works long before anyone ever heard of a Lewinsky.
She is not going to give up all that hard work and sacrifice.
That said I'm honestly mystified why anyone would buy into her constantly displayed insincerity in the first place.
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Quote: : I fixed it for you.
If Baracks politics were more that of a classic centrist Democrat ala Bill Clintons first term platform, then he'd probably walk away with the election.
As it is, he has his work cut out for him making folks believe he is what he isn't.
Luggy nailed it.
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Quote: : Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me."
"There's a pattern emerging here," she said.
What;
That old, dumb rednecks are less likely to vote for a black guy?
Gee, never saw that coming.
There.
Feel better now?
Years ago guys just like you where defending the clintons when it was pointed out they where no better then anyone else.
SHE, -you know the lib- is the one pushing the point.
How do you feel now?
Ya know ms, the more I think about your post the dumber it gets.
Obama plays the race card on the clintons.
They turn around and play the race card back on him.
And in your mind it is the dumb rednecks -folks who had zero to do with it- that you blame.
You guys really do drink the cool aid, dont ya.
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Http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfidftLe5Z0
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Dang! bill doesn't even get to be the first black Prez anymore.
Morrison took it back.
Quote: : Do you regret referring to Bill Clinton as the first black President?
Justin Dews, Cambridge, Mass.
People misunderstood that phrase.
I was deploring the way in which President Clinton was being treated, vis-à-vis the sex scandal that was surrounding him.
I said he was being treated like a black on the street, already guilty, already a perp.
I have no idea what his real instincts are, in terms of race.
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Well , as was stated in earlier threads this year, if giving Obama the presidency puts the racial/affirmative action business out of business as it were, and shut Al Sharpton the **** up, heck yeah I as a white conservative American would vote for him.
I've lived thru the Nixon/Watergate era, The Carter/Iranian Hostage era, and now Bush's legacy.
I've seen America in the doldrums before, I dont see how Obama could possibly make anything worse if he was to be elected.
I love to sit and listen to these twenty something's down at the Starbucks discuss politics.
Gawd was I ever that dumb?
(probably)
Other than that McCain was a A4/fighter pilot, and sacrificed years of his life in a NV prison for this country.
Being a scooter pilot he can't be all bad.
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What I can't figure out is how Hil and Obama find these white and black people.
I have been assured by libs right on this board that there is no such thing as race.
Lot of "Out of Africa" rhetoric.
Yet these Dems don't seem to have the slightest problem telling the difference.
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I'm pretty sure that no one has assured you of that at all, nor denied there are white people and black people.
However, if you can point out where anyone has actually said that, well, I'll apologize and take it back.
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Quote: : What I can't figure out is how Hil and Obama find these white and black people.
I have been assured by libs right on this board that there is no such thing as race.
Lot of "Out of Africa" rhetoric.
Yet these Dems don't seem to have the slightest problem telling the difference.
Like Oz, I don't recall you being assured that there is "no such thing as race", but that certainly doesn't mean somebody didn't.
People have said dumber things on this board, so it's entirely possible.
What would it prove if someone DID say that, though?
Weazel says that we knocked down our ownWorld Trade Center--does that mean that we did?
What I find more likely is that you didn't understand the subtle distinction of someone saying something along the lines of, "race is purely a social construct."
"Out of Africa" isn't "rhetoric," Easy.
It's what happened.
We've figured it out, and now it goes in the pile of "stuff we know." Like the Earth orbiting the Sun, and not the other way around.
Simply put, there is no doubt that the population we now know as modern man originated in the Rift Valley of Africa, and migrated from there.
Over time, and through this dispersion, genotypal differences expressed themselves as phenotypal differences, leading to the (undeniably) visible traits that we think of as "racial."
This has been proven genetically beyond any shadow of doubt.
Creation stories from around the world, like the "Eden" account in Genesis, are well-intentioned but demonstrably false attempts to answer the "where'd we come from" question.
Remember also that "race" is rather a biologically useless construct*.
Black people, White people, Asian people, ___
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Quote: : I'm pretty sure that no one has assured you of that at all, nor denied there are white people and black people.
However, if you can point out where anyone has actually said that, well, I'll apologize and take it back.
Well, lammo turned right around and said it again.
Where is my apology.
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BTW. If I sound like I am having way to much fun with these racist liberals.
It is only because I am.
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You are such a simpleton.
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Well, I could discuss proto-hominin bone fragments, and the theory of origination they imply.
But, I have in the past, and it made no difference.
Basically any one that disagrees with you is somehow a simpleton.
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I don't recall any such discussion with you, and couldn't find it by searching, either.
And, no, my criteria for simpleton status isn't "anyone who disagrees with me."
I disagree vehemently on MANY issues, with MANY posters in this forum who I don't think of as simpletons.
LT's a good example--we go 'round and round on nearly everything, but he's one of the LAST guys here I'd think of as a simpleton.
And I'd defy anybody to read, in sequence, our posts number 23, 24, 25, and 26, and conclude that you're NOT being a simpleton.
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Quote: : or Obama, who has seen this as his destiny from day one..
Which probably explains why he has been focused on punching tickets in his resume and not actually standing for or against anything for his minimal political career..
He and John Kerry are quite similar although at least Kerry has more time in office doing nothing.
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Quote: : Well, lammo turned right around and said it again.
Where is my apology.
I knew when I made my post I should have put in a clause about your inability or refusal to understand the answers given, but I wanted to give you some credit.
I suppose it turned out like I thought it would.
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Quote: : America is too civilized for a racist black president.
I fixed it again.
I'm a conservative Christian (even a "fundy" by some definitions) and I like what he's said publicly.
But when I look at his associations and voting record- I just_don't_believe_him.
Not that I believe any politician;
They ALL lie, HRC is a good example.
But when a man who's surrounded himself with racists and nutcases claims to disavow their beliefs- I don't buy it.
HRC is a moderate Leftist/Socialist IMHO, McCain is a verrry moderate Republican (not necessarily conservative IMHO).
But, again "IMHO", Obama is a full-blown Racist/Leftist/Socialist.
Bush? I don't think he's tecnically a "liar"- the guy actually believes what he says.
Honesty comes easily at an IQ <90 it seems.
Being previously unfamiliar with GWB-I was *hoping* he was one of those geniuses that only act like an idiot.
Damn. My bad. My loathing for Hillary Rodham Macchiavellis'<sp?>
Tactics make it impossible to vote for her.
I sure as hell won't vote for Obama, and I will probably sit this one out where McCains concerned.
Our beloved Republican Party once again gave us the Least Common Denominator for it's nominee.
I voted for Bush (once);
I owe it to my country to let them pick this one at least.
FWIW-I don't care whether he, or any candidate, is white, black, pink, yellow, Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Atheist, Agnostic, etc.
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Yeah but your are a self avowed "fundie".
That makes you fuc'ked in the head up right from the start.
I'll have to triple check your logic.
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