I'm gonna go on a little rant about the nuggets right now, partially in response to the podcasts and partially because i feel like it

The Nuggets are missing another scorer... outside the 50+ points AI and Melo puts up their other points are coming from inconsistant garbage players, find a shooter... AI is an all time driver and he does the steve nash drive and dish pretty well too, so if u had a Peja Sto(can't spell the rest) on that team he'd be putting up 20+ just setting camp outside the 3 point line
this leads to another point, JR Smith is underutilized/not coached well, he should be played a bit more, being a good 3 point shooter he can just camp outside and wait for the ball and i blame George Karl for not coaching him well enough to know that if he hits 2 shots in a row it doesnt mean he is on fire and should be jacking up wild shots

I kind of agree with tommy about Melo, he is a good player, not great and he benefits so much from AI being there, and i wouldnt say Melo is a franchise guy he is kind of like TMac, individually he is pretty good but he can't really lead a team if AI wasnt there then the team would be done... AI s a leader and Melo isn't(at least not yet, but i wouldnt keep hold my breath waiting) AI is the leader of that team and they seem to rally around him, in 3-4 years when AI is done the team then is probably gonna go into rebuilding mode(assuming AI doesnt go to another team)

Getting Artest wouldn't be the worst thing they can move Melo to PF, they really needed perimeter defense more than interior defense, plus i'm hoping they can use the 10 mill trade exception to getting another C, perhaps one of the big men from the Nets

they just got Brooke Lopez so they can afford to let go one or two of their big men

Josh Boone
Sean Williams
Stromile Swift
Nenad Krstic - a free agent right now so they might be able to sign him


basically this team can be competitive but the GM is kinda stupid and won't make the moves they need, so i'm hoping they blow this team up and get AI to somewhere else so i can stop cheering for this team going nowhere

if the nuggets get the big men, and ron artest then they got a shot for the next 3 years if they don't then it'll just be high 40 win team losing in the 1st round every year until AI leaves or retires(it'll be a sad day for me) and then the nuggets will be winning between 25-35 every year

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TDK, what do you think they would need to give up for Artest cos the Nugs aren't going to get him for nothing.

I think you need an interior scorer more than another perimeter scorer. If you had a good big man who could put some points up it might mean he draws some double teams that could make some better open shots for your other players.

The thing is, your team has had an excellent offence putting up some great numbers but the other team often put up great numbers also due to the poor defence. You are losing 13 blocks from Camby (v poor trade for Denver) - who is going to make these - Nene or Martin? I'm not so sure.

Maybe it would be worth getting a package back for Anthony and Martin in order to put some better peices around AI and JR Smith. You might get a lot back for Martin.

the useless pieces are Kmart and Nene, they need better bg men, and i can see them trading some bit pieces and a draft pick or 2 for Artest


their defense wasnt that bad, factoring in their fast pace their defense isn't as bad as it appears

they need a young big men, more energetic than the slow lumbering camby who camps in the middle and wait for someone to drive inside

they wouldnt really need a inside scorer, just someone who can catch and dunk, they got 2 magnets attracting all the attention from the defense

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Marcus Camby must feel really insulted right now. The Nuggets could have gotten more out of this deal. Why just a 2nd round pick? Why not also ask for the Clippers season tickets with free parking and beer? At least get some cash out of this deal.

The only time I see teams giving away players for nothing is when that player is a cancer. Just like there are players who will make your team significantly better, there are players who will significantly bring a negative impact on your team. I don't think Camby is in the same class as Marbury, Zach Randolf and Antoine Walker.

Didn't Karl assign Kmart to guard Kobe every now and then during the playoffs?

I agree Nene is pretty much useless so trying to trade him with his contract will be quite difficult. Even if you give him away for free like Camby, no one wants him.

The Nuggets dumped Camby for financial flexibility in what appears to be the beginning of a mini rebuild... For mine, the Nuggets should be looking to trade AI... He is on the wrong side of the age ledger, has a few years and big dollars on his contract remaining and certainly has value. Look at how well Philly are going now having traded him... He would at least bring first round pick(s), young talent or a veteran or 2... whatever it is that Denver wants most. If they do this, they will be able to place some young pieces around the core, with Melo still young, and make a new, younger core.

While I agree, Melo is not going to lead the Nuggets to anything exciting, he has more 'upside' remaining than AI. Meaning he could still be that player. At the very least, he is like the other Philly AI and needs to play 2nd banana, and by trading AI, they can get a 1st banana, or the cap space to get one.

The Nuggets aren't looking to win now or they wouldn't have given away Camby, so why not show AI some respect and give him the chance to win somewhere else.

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No, it wasn't a 2nd round pick - it wasn't even that much - it was the rights to TRADE 2nd round picks with the Clipps!!!!

I agree here - I don't think Melo is going to lead them to much.

There defence is so poor that they need some more peices in there. If they decide they are going to build around Carmelo (I wouldn't) then they may have no other choice but to trade AI for those peices.

I would probably try and blow the hole thing up and trade them both at some point over the next season and start again - what they've got ain't working out west.

This coming from a Clippers fan? As of present, I would still give the Nuggets a better chance of getting to the playoffs than the Clippers. Using your logic of it "ain't working out west", why wouldn't your Clippers do the same thing instead of spending a bunch of money on Baron Davis and that other role player guy (I am too lazy to look up his name) from the Warriors?

I have already said this in other posts, but Carmelo is a much better player than you guys are giving him credit for. He seems to have taken it down a notch due to complacement with Iverson in town, but trading him would bring out the best in him and the Nuggets would be kicking themselves for a long time. Nuggets have to find a way to wake him up by either trading Iverson or bringing in some new pieces (remember what having Charles Oakley in Toronto did for Vince Carter).

Are we all talking about the same Carmelo Anthony here?? The guy who was arguably the best player, on a finally respectable, USA basketball team last year. The same guy who single handedly won an NCAA title? The same guy that averaged 25.7 PPG, 7.4 RPG, 3.4 APG and 1.27 Steals? Name 5 guys that have better numbers than this. The guy is only 24 years old - he's only going to get better.

This whole thread is mindboggling to me. I guarantee that before the ridiculous New York fight (and it was ridiculous) that everyone one bashing Carmelo in this thread would have picked Carmelo as a franchise player in a heartbeat. Has he really changed that much as a basketball player since then? Imagine how good the guy would be if he didn't have the hole, also known as Allen Iverson on his team.

Crazy.